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Post by stepper on Oct 27, 2014 19:38:17 GMT -6
We'll see - in the mean time can anyone tell me how the governor of NJ or NY has the authority to suspend civil rights?
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Post by Spock on Oct 28, 2014 8:38:00 GMT -6
Probably the same way the President has. He declares an emergency, real or otherwise, and our rights fall like dominoes.
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Post by katina2nd on Oct 28, 2014 17:34:47 GMT -6
I see the prosecutors are going to appeal the verdict and sentence in the Pistorius case. We'll see - in the mean time can anyone tell me how the governor of NJ or NY has the authority to suspend civil rights? What's this all about?
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Post by stepper on Oct 29, 2014 20:25:42 GMT -6
Remember the panic when AIDS was first publicly addressed? Same thing except it's about ebola. They decided that volunteer doctors and nurses coming back from treating ebola patients should be quarantined irrespective of their current health status. In the case I'm thinking of, the quarantine-ee was from a different state, and showed no signs of any kind of discomfort except for the complete lack of space or facilities. Essentially she was in cordoned off area with only her phone and a bed; please note that I did not mention toiletries. They gave her a trash can with what amounts to a Hefty bag. The cordon was transparent plastic, so no privacy either.
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Post by Phalon on Jan 29, 2018 11:22:07 GMT -6
While watching the History Channel last night, I saw a commercial for what looks like an interesting docuseries that begins airing on CNN on February 11th about Patty Hearst. I remember when Patty Hearst was all over the news it seemed like constantly; like Watergate, while I remember it being on the news, I understood little except the basic details - I was in 4th grade when she was kidnapped and later, committed her crimes. So a victim of Stockholm Syndrome, or a villain? Here's the docuseries rundown: cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2018/01/04/new-cnn-original-series-the-radical-story-of-patty-hearst-premieres-sunday-feb-11/
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Post by Mini Mia on Jan 29, 2018 19:40:25 GMT -6
There was a half wall dividing the kitchen from the living room, and we could watch the news during mealtimes. Dad and I fought over her every night. He would say he _knew_ she was guilty, and I'd tell him he _didn't know_ she was guilty, he only _thought_ she was guilty. I was 15, going on 16, and Dad got on my nerves a lot.
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Post by katina2nd on Jan 31, 2018 19:57:13 GMT -6
Interesting question, bit complex for my tiny brain I must admit. Certainly a victim in some respects, but for me the question remains, just how much does her "conditioning" for want of a better word, absolve her of what were serious crimes. A bit on the fence really, guess I'd have to say a bit of both, victim and villain. Found this article relating to the subject interesting ............. counsellingresource.com/therapy/self-help/stockholm/
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Post by Phalon on Feb 2, 2018 7:58:59 GMT -6
Ha! Typical teenager!
Although I think questioning authority can be a good thing - how else does one learn to form opinions of their own, and speak up when they feel something is wrong.
Yeah, I dunno either. Wasn't there even some question as to whether she was actually kidnapped, or that it was somehow staged?
I honestly don't remember much - except that as a kid, it was a bit scary watching the story unfold. I remember thinking that someone could be brain-washed into becoming a different person as being particularly scary.
I found it interesting too....and this bit, also kind of 'wow, who knew?'
"In the final analysis, emotionally bonding with an abuser is actually a strategy for survival for victims of abuse and intimidation. The “Stockholm Syndrome” reaction in hostage and/or abuse situations is so well recognized at this time that police hostage negotiators no longer view it as unusual. In fact, it is often encouraged in crime situations as it improves the chances for survival of the hostages."
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Feb 2, 2018 8:23:55 GMT -6
I am definitely going to watch this. Just set my DVR. I watched something the other day about the debacle that was Waco with David Koresh. I suppose you could ask yourself the same thing. Victim or Villain? There are still people out there that were part of his group that are still loyal. Apparently part of how Alex (DOUCHBAG) Jones ended up where he is is by using that story as a platform for his wack job conspiracy theories.
And recently watched something on Tonya Harding and Nancy Karigan. Tonya to this day denies everything. Nancy doesn't seem to care anymore. And you have to have some sympathy for Tonya. Her mom was a drunk jerk who was constantly telling her how terrible she was. Despite her being an amazing athlete.
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Post by Phalon on Feb 4, 2018 9:08:30 GMT -6
Speaking of brainwashing....I honestly can't understand how people fall for the conspiracy theories that spew from his mouth - or for that matter, the cr@p that his mainstream media cohort, Hannity, spews (it cracks me up actually, that Hannity, Fox, and Fox viewers are always railing against the mainstream media, when Fox is part of the mainstream media). Are some people more prone to believe such nonsense than others? Scientific American has an interesting article on the topic: www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-some-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/ Was it that new movie "I, Tonya" that you watched? Tonya Harding, victim or villain....hhhmmm. I think she was a kind of victim before the attack on Kerrigan in that because she didn't fit into the elite prima-donna mold of a figure skater in that high a caliper, she was judged by her peers in the sport to be pretty much trailer-trash. The same toughness and determination that she used to overcome her upbringing and excel in the sport, also may have worked against her after the attack - whether she had any part in it or not, it wouldn't take too much imagination to assume she had a hand in the plan, based in part because of her tough attitude. I personally find it hard to believe she's completely innocent.....I also think Kerrigan, despite saying she doesn't care anymore, still plays the victim very well.
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Post by Joxcenia on Dec 17, 2023 3:51:43 GMT -6
I think someone can be both a victim and a villain, and I guess at some point the victim is no longer a victim, but an out and out villain. And even if a victim was brainwashed or not, and was never given the opportunity to be a better person at some point doesn't necessarily mean that that person shouldn't be punished.
I don't watch the news, so I've no idea about how Anwar al-Awlaki was raised ... if the choices were made for him from birth, or if he made them for himself as an adult. Whatever made him the way he is, outside forces or inside forces, he still should be stopped. There comes a point when someone is no longer saveable. When lines are crossed and lives are at stake, there has to be a consequence. And the child that could have been saved ... that could have been a better person ... that could have had a better life ... that child's loss should always be felt and cried for.
When I cry for Cutler Beckett, I don't cry for the man ... I cry for the child inside who was most likely beaten into being the man he grew into ... and for the man he might have been if he had had the opportunity, and would have taken that path to a better life, if offered.
I remember when, after 9/11, the news showed people in the streets in other countries cheering and celebrating the deaths of people they didn't know. I remember hoping that when those behind the attacks were found and punished that there wouldn't be cheering and celebrating in the streets on the news. I hoped that we were better than that. Is it ever okay to celebrate a death? Even when the ones who die are vile human beings who deserve the most horrible deaths imaginable? I honestly don't know.
I can't believe this thread is this old. It doesn't seem like that long ago I commented on it.
Over the years I pray for the evil people of this world, asking for their hearts to be touched so that they see the errors of their ways, and become good people. When I saw this video I couldn't help but hope that my prayers were a small part of this person's transformation.
Former Hezbollah Fighter Recalls Encounter with Jesus: 'God Didn't Design Us to Hate'
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