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Post by katina2nd on Mar 28, 2020 18:46:41 GMT -6
Katina - big air hugs from a distance of six feet for you. Back atcha Phalon. Please watch [the video below] before the next time you go grocery shopping. He made a few mistakes that could cause contamination, probably due to trying to concentrate on his words while he was doing everything. See if you can spot those mistakes. Thanks Jox, lot of useful advice on there.
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Post by Mini Mia on Mar 28, 2020 22:02:48 GMT -6
You are most welcome for the copy/paste, Kat.
Phalon: I was getting a lot of phone calls at the beginning of March, which I let go to the answering machine, that I'm assuming were scammers ... but it's been really quiet the last couple of weeks, so I'm guessing my phone company is catching them and shutting them down. Or the government is shutting them down?
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Post by Mini Mia on Mar 29, 2020 5:37:51 GMT -6
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Post by Phalon on Mar 30, 2020 12:43:26 GMT -6
HA, Joxie! That's a good one!
Social distancing...sigh. I had to go to the grocery store today, and followed the prescribed precautions. I got there early, just 10 minutes after they opened, so everything was freshly sanitized - it was also raining out, so I figured it wouldn't be that crowded. The parking lot was as full as a regular day - maybe a little less full - and I parked way at the end of an aisle in the parking lot, far away from other vehicles, so I wouldn't be smack-dab next to another car.
I was pretty floored once I got inside, and I have to say it was the older people who floored me. It was as if it was social hour for them. There are certain times set aside for seniors to shop and this wasn't one of them, though they don't have to only shop during those times. They congregated at the end of the aisles, shopping carts side-by-side, yik-yakking and catching up on gossip, or news, or whatever. Groups of them...nowhere near six feet apart. At one point, I felt trapped in an aisle - both ends were blocked by such groups, while the store's intercom had a recording about social distancing on a continuous loop.
I honestly don't get it. Are they blatantly ignoring the warnings outright? Haven't they watched the news or read anything on the internet? Or do they just not think it's important?
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Post by Mini Mia on Mar 30, 2020 15:40:35 GMT -6
Who knows why some don’t listen or take it seriously. Sadly, it isn’t just themselves that will get infected ... they’ll carry it to others as well. There have been many incidents where people have gathered and spread it to other places when they went home. Some have spread it fleeing from an infected area to an uninfected area. I think about how fewer people would have it right now if people did as they were told. And they’re making us have to stay in longer as well. And then the hoarders are also making this worse than it needs to be. If I was a heartless person, I’d be glad they were exposing themselves and ridding the world of them. Thankfully I’m not. Though my heart does go out more for those trying to save lives, and who have more chances to get infected, and who are overworked due to these imbeciles.
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Post by katina2nd on Mar 30, 2020 19:02:02 GMT -6
HA, Joxie! That's a good one! Social distancing... sigh. I had to go to the grocery store today, and followed the prescribed precautions. I got there early, just 10 minutes after they opened, so everything was freshly sanitized - it was also raining out, so I figured it wouldn't be that crowded. The parking lot was as full as a regular day - maybe a little less full - and I parked way at the end of an aisle in the parking lot, far away from other vehicles, so I wouldn't be smack-dab next to another car. I was pretty floored once I got inside, and I have to say it was the older people who floored me. It was as if it was social hour for them. There are certain times set aside for seniors to shop and this wasn't one of them, though they don't have to only shop during those times. They congregated at the end of the aisles, shopping carts side-by-side, yik-yakking and catching up on gossip, or news, or whatever. Groups of them...nowhere near six feet apart. At one point, I felt trapped in an aisle - both ends were blocked by such groups, while the store's intercom had a recording about social distancing on a continuous loop. I honestly don't get it. Are they blatantly ignoring the warnings outright? Haven't they watched the news or read anything on the internet? Or do they just not think it's important?Pretty simple really, they're humans, and humans are not the smartest creatures on the planet even though we like to think we are. If you need a better example this would be hard to beat ............ www.9news.com.au/world/coronavirus-gun-shops-an-essential-business-says-trump-administration/73560a7d-f7a5-44e2-a64c-445d96d0805d?ref=BP_RSS_ninenews_5_gun-shops-an--essential--business--trump-administration_310320The NRA must surely be about the lowest form of life in existence.
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Post by Phalon on Mar 31, 2020 7:49:56 GMT -6
When you think of the countless people working so hard to get us through this - the front-line medical workers and all the support staff that goes into keeping hospitals running, scientists, governors, grocery store and other food establishment employees trying to keep store shelves stocked and people fed, truckers and everyone in the supply-chain - everyone from celebrities donating millions of dollars to volunteers doing whatever they can to help - you can't help but be extremely grateful, and just gotta hope that people like these outnumber people that don't give a sh!t.
Absolutely no argument from me on that one. People are anxious, even angry about everything that's going on, a tanked economy, rampant joblessness, outright defiance over orders set in place to protect the public...and they're arming themselves to the hilt. What could possibly go wrong?
So tired of the NRA and the rabid gun rights supporters claiming that any effort, large or small, aimed at safe gun-ownership is an infringement on 2nd Amendment rights. Of course, the NRA and groups like it that whip up these people into a frenzy, care nothing about the individual citizens they claim to represent - instead they're all about profit.
On a brighter note, a feel-good song and video for the day. Not normally the type of music I listen to, but I've been drawn to this one after hearing it on Amazon's latest television commercial...
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 1, 2020 0:44:43 GMT -6
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 1, 2020 14:12:05 GMT -6
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Post by katina2nd on Apr 1, 2020 18:33:10 GMT -6
Throw in a President totally incapable of giving any sort of decent leadership and I certainly don't envy your country Phalon, as you said in reply to Jox, just have to hope the deent people outnumber the ones who don't give a s**t. Ah yeah, the 2nd Amendment, the way so many cling to that you'd think it was handed down from the mount inscribed on stone tablets. And as you point out, the NRA are only interested in one thing, and that's keeping their coffers filled, no matter the cost. Maybe when the next pandemic hits, governments will know to shut down asap. But will they do it though Jox, saw a bloke on TV yesterday (not exactly sure who he was) saying that after the Sars epidemic a plan was drawn up for the eventuality of it happening again, and one of the key recommendations was closing off the country ASAP, yet it wasn't implemented until too late, the upshot being that three quarter of our cases have come from overseas.
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 1, 2020 20:18:32 GMT -6
That might depend on how soon it happens again. Now that the wet markets have reopened, it could be happening again soonish. Did they even clean before opening back up? Is the corona virus is still there just waiting to mingle/merge with other animal matter to morph into something even more dangerous? --- That's where my thinking was going when I said they might be better prepared next time ... that it could happen again this year, or next, or within five years. It seems borders should be prepared to shut down at the drop of a hat.
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Post by Phalon on Apr 2, 2020 7:31:09 GMT -6
Wasn't going to go there, but yeah. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution, and it seems some people got to number two, and stopped reading. Joxie, though China isn't known for its transparency as a country, I'd be apt to question that is entirely factual. I never listen to Carlson, (for various reasons), but I watched the video of his report you posted. "According to the Daily Mail..." Stop....what? He's basing his report on something in The Daily Mail?? It's a tabloid, akin to The National Enquirer. It's sad/funny/scary that Carlson used a tabloid story as a source for his "news" story that reaches millions of people. Even Wikipedia, which is not always a completely reliable source of factual information, has banned The Daily Mail as a cited source, citing "its unreliability, as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research." Media Fact Check rates it as a "Questionable Source" and gives its factual reporting a "low" score. A Questionable Source "exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence." Actual Daily News headline: “Woman, 63, ‘becomes PREGNANT in the mouth’ with baby squid after eating calamari”.The results of the Google search for "wet markets in China reopening" show that the story was picked up only by "Mixed" or "Questionable" sources - on the first two pages of the search, not one news source is considered highly reliable for reporting factual stories; in fact, the handful articles I read in the search, all cite the Daily Mail as their source of information for the story, if they cite a source at all. Just saying, it doesn't matter if the source has a left or right bias - what matters is that it reports factual information, especially during these times. I've posted this site I think a couple of times in the past, but here it is again, because it's important to know the source: mediabiasfactcheck.com/I'd be more apt to believe an article I read from AFP (least bias, high factual reporting news source), that as an interesting coincidence was reported the day before Carlson's report; could it be that The Daily Mail twisted the facts to create a more sensational story? news.yahoo.com/wuhans-virus-ground-zero-market-hides-plain-sight-003430898.html
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Post by katina2nd on Apr 3, 2020 18:28:25 GMT -6
The Daily Mail and Tucker Carlson, now there's a highly credible duo I must say (inserting one of Phalons famous eye rolls here}
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Post by moonglum on Apr 3, 2020 23:31:32 GMT -6
Well, the four of us are still here. Self-isolation seems not a lot different for Vox and myself, both being retired. Our daughter's partner is no longer working. Our daughters working from home seems to be drying up. Vox and I went shopping for groceries yesterday, replete in masks and gloves. The supermarket we used seemed to be operating a 'token' social distancing scheme. They had marked out the pavement outside with marks every two meters, with people queuing to get in, and allowing only so many people in at a time. But once inside it was a free-for-all, and then they abandoned the queuing and just let everybody in. I was surprised to see only three or four other people wearing masks. I saw one of these Q&A things on the news channel where an 'expert' said that wearing masks does not really stop the spread of infection. Well no, but they help, otherwise the health workers wouldn't wear them. Given that the virus can be spread by droplets in the air, not only when you sneeze or cough but when you exhale as well, I don't think it can do any harm to take all precautions. As we left the store a man walked past us and as he turned towards Vox he coughed straight at her. I did make a point of indicating that I didn't think his parents were married!
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Post by Phalon on Apr 4, 2020 7:53:44 GMT -6
Wow. They're famous? I should copyright them; with the shutdowns, the nursery is closed until further notice, and I could use some extra money. It's pretty much the same here. LX's Boyfriend's business shut down this week; LX is still working, but doesn't know how much longer the business's doors will be able to stay open. Many of the grocery stores around here have introduced similar social distancing measures this week - I haven't been to the store though, so don't know if the measures are working, or even being followed. WTF?! As Katina said, people can be idiots (well, he didn't say it in those exact words). Something like deliberately coughing toward someone is not only stupid, it could have deadly consequences. But ya know, while I'm appalled at the actions of some people, sadly, I'm not surprised. It seems these times are bringing out the worst of some people... ...and the best out of others. I got the following link from Siren's Facebook page, and once I checked it out, saw that there were two more of the same type of postings - three weeks worth of collected social media posts and photos from around the world of people at their very best during the pandemic (there are a couple of duplicates). Kinda gives you a glimmer of hope that humanity as a whole is a lot better than all the "Covidiots" out there. www.boredpanda.com/coronavirus-heroes/www.boredpanda.com/wholesome-coronavirus-quarantine-good-news/?utm_source=search.yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=organicwww.boredpanda.com/coronavirus-wholesome-quarantine-good-news/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook&fbclid=IwAR3Qsu6KqEmqQDhif2xb-j7wgobZQHAfINL2paGf1edsjYpPU5JBeMWMWv4
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Post by Phalon on Apr 7, 2020 7:12:25 GMT -6
Moonglum, I read last night that your PM has been moved to intensive care. I hope that doesn't add more chaos to your country during these already especially chaotic times.
People here, at least what I can see from my own yard, are still not quite getting the social distancing thing right. Our neighbors are just one perfect example I've seen of how not to do it. The 20-year old son who lives at home, is like many, not working due to his job being not essential during the shut-down. He frequently leaves the house in his truck, returning with the bed full of lumber that he's been using to build furniture and what-not to occupy his time (he does wonderful wood-working, but though the home improvement store is still open, I'm pretty sure building furniture for fun is not considered an essential reason to go there). His friends come over to help with his projects. His girlfriend, who lives in Indiana, comes and stays for a couple of days. His twin sister, who was attending college, left her apartment and returned home to escape one of the most infected cities in the state.
And his mother still goes to work every day as a physical therapist....in a nursing home!
They are great neighbors, and I love them dearly, but what the hell?
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Post by moonglum on Apr 7, 2020 9:14:32 GMT -6
Yes he is still showing symptoms and they were getting worse. He is in intensive care but not on a ventilator, which is a good sign. Our political system will not suffer as a result of him being incapacitated. The system is cabinet orientated, that is, although the PM is the head of government, all decisions are made collectively by the cabinet. So the government can continue as normal. Dominic Rabb is the first minister and can function as a deputy PM until Boris is back on his feet again. Stop Press: Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove is self-isolating because a family member is displaying symptoms.
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 9, 2020 3:51:27 GMT -6
Good to know. IIRC, I got that off of Facebook. I did do a 2-second drill, and saw a lot of mentions of the market being reopened, but didn't bother looking further into it.
My county now has it's first known case of the virus. A 70-year-old woman who is still at home for the time being. I'm guessing she is the one the police and ambulance were called out for the other night on Mom's scanner. The police were told to put on masks and gloves ... and then warned not to go into the house until the EMTs got there.
I've been sitting here working on a note in my head on what to jot down for my sister should I croak. I figure I should jot down the pin to get into my phone ... and then instruct her on what apps to open, in order to let everyone know I won't be back. I may not write it. It's just something that occurred to me tonight.
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Post by Phalon on Apr 9, 2020 12:39:23 GMT -6
I was texting with my boss yesterday, and we both agreed this would be so much worse trying to stay connected during all of this without the internet, social media, texting, etc.. In other ways though, it's created what the World Health Organization called an "infodemic" on top of the pandemic - too much information for people to sort through to determine what's accurate and what's not. Came across this helpful article in The Atlantic last week: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/heres-how-fight-coronavirus-misinformation/608914/It's only been 4 weeks since the first case in Michigan, and it's pretty bleak; we're the 3rd state in the nation to reach over 20,000 cases (the other two states are New York and New Jersey). As of yesterday in Michigan, there were 20,346 confirmed cases, 959 deaths, and 56 recoveries (a recovered person is considered one who was lab-tested as positive and who is still alive 30 days later). Governor Whitmer is giving a press conference in about a half an hour, and is to extend the stay-at-home order at least until April 30th. The highest number of cases in Michigan remains in the counties with large cities. In our county - made up of small towns and rural areas - we've got 18 confirmed cases and 1 death. A big concern in our town is the number of people who own second homes here - most of them from highly infected areas like Chicago and Detroit, the worry being that they'll flee those areas to move into their summer vacation homes here, bringing the virus with them. I can't say that I blame them for wanting to leave the big cities; I'd probably do the same. A huge problem is though, we just don't have the medical facilities here to accommodate a large influx of people who may need hospitalization. I thought about doing something similar - writing a list of all the pertinent information for the girls: banking information, insurance policy and 401k account information, important passwords and the like - just so it's all together for easy access. I haven't done it yet either, though it should have been done a long time ago. Not a bad thing to have done regardless. Something on the lighthearted side - because who couldn't use some fun and a little laugh? Jimmy Fallon asked his Twitter fans to come up with movie title sequels made in quarantine. "Don't Stand By Me", "Stay Home Alone", "Good Will Hunting Toilet Paper" were some of the responses. More here: www.goodnewsnetwork.org/fallon-movie-titles-hashtags/Hmmmm....mine would be... (the most obvious) "Mission Impossible: Finding Toilet Paper" and "Five Feet Apart....No, Make it Six"
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 10, 2020 1:40:49 GMT -6
Sadly, a lot of 'Summer/Vacation/Second Home' places saw a rise in the virus when people fled the big cities, bringing it with them. So, your fears are well-founded. I hope that doesn't happen though.
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Post by Phalon on Apr 10, 2020 6:48:47 GMT -6
Last time I was at the grocery store - two weeks ago Monday - I saw a lot of vehicles with Illinois plates in the parking lot, so it appeared as if many had already fled the Chicago area (where most of the people who own 2nd homes around here live).
During her press conference yesterday, our Governor addressed the situation in a way with basically a pick-a-home-and-stay order I would call it - if you own more than one home, chose which one you're going to ride this out in, and stay there; don't travel back and forth from one to the other. Many of the cities and small towns are requiring those arriving from other states to self-quarantine for 14 days. I don't know how any of this is going to be enforced though.
Good news for the day:
All of this is a scary thing for kids. The day before her press conference yesterday, the Governor did video for young children to address some of their concerns and fears regarding the stay-at-home order. Both the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are deemed essential workers, are practicing social distancing during their travels, and though substitutions to their regular deliveries should be expected, they can still make their rounds.
New Zealand's Prime Minister made the same ruling a couple of days prior.
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 10, 2020 21:32:15 GMT -6
I saw about the Easter Bunny. The Tooth Fairy would be easier to do ... though, I suppose the Easter Bunny could bring a lot of home-cooked treats this year.
For those wondering how to keep certain foods from going bad:
*PLAYLIST:* Quarantine Kitchen Videos www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqJamx0rwybvfa47A5JxwhFgm-HLNgWpc
Jamerrill Stewart, Large Family Table www.youtube.com/user/Nurs4jc/
QUARANTINE Kitchen | HOW To FREEZE BREAD, EGGS, FLOUR, MILK, RICE, OATMEAL, CHEESE, BUTTER - LOTS!
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Post by Phalon on Apr 12, 2020 9:12:12 GMT -6
Everyone hanging in there okay?
I imagine there will be some very creative Easter Bunnying this year.
Way back just a few weeks ago (it seems like so much longer!) when the grocery store first put out Easter candy, I picked up a couple of bags - Kit Kats and Hershey's Kisses - because I've always done Easter baskets for the girls and LX's Boyfriend. We're all in different places this Easter though, so I put the candy in a basket on a table by the sidewalk, along with pickle jars full of daffodils (I cut every bloom yesterday) mixed with spice bush twigs with tiny yellow blossoms in hopes that it might brighten someone's day.
I was way better at playing Easter Bunny than I was at playing Tooth Fairy - I was a notoriously bad at the Tooth Fairy thing - just awful! - most of the time forgetting, even for nights on end to do the under-the-pillow exchange. "Oh, the Tooth Fairy must have been really busy last night, but you're on her list" was my typical excuse. Luckily, (and extremely oddly) neither of the girls lost many of their teeth - most of their baby teeth had to be pulled by the dentist after their permanent teeth came in well into their teens; even odder is that each girl had one permanent tooth - the same tooth(!) that had to be surgically exposed and pulled down by a tiny chain attached to a bracket on their braces because it grew sideways in the roofs of their mouths.
It would have been way less expensive, even at the highest rate of tooth-for-money exchange, if the Tooth Fairy had a regular gig here!
Hope everybody's supplies are holding up. We're out of some stuff, and running low on others. I am really missing fresh vegetables! Don't plan on going to the store for a couple of weeks though, if I can help it.
Along with the "Quarantine Kitchen" videos, I read that comedienne Amy Schumer and her professional chef husband are self-filming a quarantine cooking show to air on the Food Network. “Shot entirely themselves, Amy’s boundless humor and Chris’ culinary skills show viewers how they navigate life while at home making the best of these turbulent times with some good laughs and good food.” And drinks. Amy doesn't cook - the working title of the show is "Amy Schumer Learns to Cook" - but she makes cocktails.
Happy Easter, and stay safe, stay well, folks.
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Post by moonglum on Apr 12, 2020 10:32:27 GMT -6
We braved the supermarket yesterday, suitably masked and gloved. It wasn't too bad actually. Not too many people and the shelves were really well stocked. Last week daughters partner got us a box of meat. A local butchers are making up boxes with pork loin steaks, chicken breasts, a joint of pork, turkey mince and steaks. Stocking up the freezer made easy! We are all well so far and hoping to stay that way. The weather has been glorious here. The last three days the temperature has been 23-24C. It's just a pity we couldn't have spent the time at our caravan. The police are stopping traffic and asking where your from and where you are going. If your journey is not to collect groceries or medicines then they are issuing fines and turning you around.
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 13, 2020 0:26:11 GMT -6
I still have plenty of frozen stuff to thaw and cook. I have 15 rolls of toilet paper left, plus what's left on the two bathroom dispensers. I am debating on whether or not to stay in until the middle of May. I have a doctor visit at the end of May, and a haircut appointment for the dog then too. I know we all have to come out at some point ... but it's a scary thought now that I've been on lockdown for a month and a half ... or will be that very soon.
I'm not this bored, yet.
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 14, 2020 2:45:26 GMT -6
I came across this on susa's board. I haven't seen it yet. Putting it here to watch later when I have the time. Sharing should others want to check it out in the mean time.
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 14, 2020 11:55:25 GMT -6
I haven’t watched the video yet, so can’t comment on it or delete it should it not be worthy to keep here.
We’re in the middle of April now ... getting closer to the day we’re allowed to get out once again. Kind of a scary thought. Will it reignite the widespread of the virus all over again. Well, not here, as we finally got our first two cases in my county. We’re just starting our journey. Now, when most other places are finally starting to see the end. Will we be getting out at the wrong time? Just in time to keep it going? We don’t have a hospital. The closest one is 40 minutes or more away. We do have an ambulance service though, so that helps a little. I may stay in until I have to get out and get stuff. Or not. I’ll play it by ear.
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Post by Mini Mia on Apr 14, 2020 11:57:45 GMT -6
Seems I’m keeping this thought on repeat. Perhaps I should put another record on.
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Post by Phalon on Apr 15, 2020 7:20:26 GMT -6
Hoping to find the same thing at our grocery store, Moonglum - well-stocked shelves and not too many people. The last two times I was there - once right before the Governor issued the shutdown order, and a week later - it was a madhouse and a lot of the shelves were empty or nearly empty. Meat of any kind was scarce the second time, and there was a limit per shopper on what was left. Many of the other things that were on my list weren't available, so I have to make a grocery store run soon.
On the bright side - because you've always gotta see a bright spot, even if you've gotta search to find it - with the fridge much emptier than usual, I gave the inside a thorough washing down the other day.
The police here in our state have the authority to do the same - I have no idea if it's being enforced though. I'm kind of dreading this actually. BP is still up at college. Though classes are strictly on-line she opted to stay there, in part because she enrolled in the summer semester, and didn't want to move everything out of the dorms and back home, only to have to turn around and move back in a few weeks later. The university announced last Friday that the summer semester will be on-line only, and they are shutting the dorms - everyone must be moved out by May 9th. They assigned the students who remain on campus move out dates and times so it will be done in an orderly fashion and not a free-for-all (I always hated move in/move out days when LX was there - it's complete chaos with thousands of students, their belongings, and family members trying to do the same thing at the same time). BP's assigned date is the May 1st - I have to leave here at 5ish in the morning to be there for her assigned time, and don't want to run into any trouble with the police wondering why I'm on the Interstates.
I've been keeping tabs on the news coming out of Kentucky because my ex-sis-in-law, niece, and nephew live in the northern part of the state, and we've been talking. You guys are way behind us in Michigan as far as how the virus has been progressing. A lot of it has to do with Detroit and the surrounding area which is a hot-spot in the nation right now for many reasons, including it was one of only a dozen airports that were allowed to receive international passengers when the travel restrictions were put in place.
Testing too might be a factor - as of yesterday, Michigan conducted 89,036 Covid-19 tests, with 27,001 positive results versus Kentucky with 26,683 tests and 2048 confirmed cases. That breaks down to Michigan testing 678 out of 100,000 people versus Kentucky testing 35 out of 100,000 people. Either way, it doesn't seem like there is enough testing being done in either state.
Kentucky's governor is being smart though; the restrictions Beshear put in place are working to prevent the spread, and given how cautious he's being, he's just not going lift all the restrictions at once; it'll be more a gradual thing. Same for Governor Whitmer in Michigan despite receiving a ton of political blacklash for her executive order being too restrictive - seriously?! What would you rather do - be able to go boating and golfing, buy paint and furniture or end up infected yourself or infecting a bunch of other people with the potential to cause death. People are being so stupid and selfish about this, whining about their rights being "taken away", when the restrictions are in place to preserve lives. Look at the photos on national news of body-bags at a Detroit hospital and in freezer trucks because the morgues and funeral homes are overfilled versus the people who filed a lawsuit against the governor because they can't visit their vacation home, and try to explain who is being irrational.
People are showing their true colors, and some of those colors are truly ugly.
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Post by Phalon on Apr 15, 2020 7:44:59 GMT -6
Oh, and I also think what the governors of California, Oregon, and Washington, as well as the governors of New York and surrounding states did yesterday is very smart, and I hope that other states follow suit - forming coalitions or alliances I guess you would call them, in which neighboring states confer, coordinate, and cooperate with each other getting needed medical supplies, and on the gradual lifting of restrictions when they occur.
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