magnus greel
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Post by magnus greel on Jan 3, 2006 0:12:28 GMT -6
Don't think anyone's interested here, so I'll wait for other posts, but, Sorkin vs. Wells? Too bad about John Spencer eh? Please not a lot of speculation about the future of WW without JS though... it seems ghoulish to me. I'm not sure they should continue, and I don't want to think about it.
I think I'm a cross of the personalities of Toby and CJ. That's the best match I can think of, anyway. I'm the median age of all those people. It seems as if they let a bunch of guys like me run the White House and yet it all works. Hey, maybe I could do this.....
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Post by katina2nd on Jan 5, 2006 21:56:40 GMT -6
Very saddened by the news of John Spencer, excellent actor in an equally excellent show. He'll be hard [ impossible ] to replace, though I think the strength of the show is the superb writing and mix of characters, so hopefully it will be going strong for a few more seasons yet.
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Post by rhonda on Jan 29, 2006 5:18:52 GMT -6
I always think that it's really eiree that Spencer's character, McGarry, suffered a heart attack in the last season, and left his chief of staff post during his recovery, and then this!!!
His death had to have saddened others in the cast given that.
He will be missed by everyone who ever had the great fortune to watch him do what he did best.
You know, It really isn't clear how his death is going to affect West Wing episodes that remain to be shot this season.
Speaking of which, I have a couple of complaints. I thought it was a little unrealistic that Congressman Santos, after winning the Democratic nomination, picks Leo to be the VP. They have moved it to Sunday nights which stinks since that conflicts with the NFL and baseball game on ESPN. I know the show has departed from reality as of late but it's still entertaining to political television junkies that read sites like this. The first few seasons were great because they rarely got wrong the details of how government and politics work. The last 2 seasons they have gone into some sort of alternate universe but I'm hooked. I'm rooting for Arnie Vinnick to win the election.
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jan 29, 2006 11:05:15 GMT -6
Vinick won't win. They'd lose too many veiwers.
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magnus greel
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Post by magnus greel on Jan 31, 2006 5:42:08 GMT -6
Well no, now, since WW has just been cancelled.
I worried that Spencer continuing to work drove him to his grave and that he should have been written out by having Leo die from the season 6 heart attack, Leo taking the bullet for John rather than the other way around. Then I remembered what was the point of that heart attack ewpisode, which was that you can't just take away someone's life's-work, without injury to that person.
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jan 31, 2006 8:40:54 GMT -6
CANCELLED!
Crap...
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Post by katina2nd on Feb 2, 2006 0:24:56 GMT -6
My sentiments exactly, first time I knew this. Oh well, we're so far behind here in Australia that at least we still have a fair few to see.
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Post by rhonda on Feb 3, 2006 6:07:52 GMT -6
Hi Magnus, I guess John Spencer's passing was due to his age. From what I saw of him on The West Wing, he was the oldest looking 58 year old man that I've seen in quite some time. Remember the Debate episode where Leo says, "To sweep all 50 States, the President would have to do two things...Blow the Sultan's brains out in Times Square, and then walk across the street to Nathan's and buy a hot dog." In other words, he wouldn't have to buy the hot dog...it's funny...it sticks in my mind. I guess considering what you're saying is that the appropriate cliché here is "live by the sword, die by the sword." John Spencer, the actor of a multitude of media in the capital of the entertainment industry in California...lived with the philosophy...If you want to reap the benefits of stardom as a huge celebrity that is a marketing vehicle for...in this case...NBC...you also have to accept the fact that it can be the thing to do an end run...with stress...around you. Hi Katina, Hi Scrappy, They replaced this very good political show with a reality show!!! I will boycott ALL future episodes of that stupid show! Jimi Smits is hotter than the dweebs on that frigging show! I am sick and tired of hearing that a quality show has been cancelled for crap! Get rid of Simple Life, Life on a Stick, Stacked, and the rest of that stupid reality tv programming. The guys at NBC are starting to look like the FOX Network IDIOTS!
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Post by katina2nd on Feb 5, 2006 3:30:05 GMT -6
Hi RWR, yeah you're right, seems like a lot of the better quality shows have a hard time attracting an audience, whereas the reality shows just keep popping up like Mushrooms in a dank basement.
It [ West Wing ] has always struggled for decent ratings here in Australia, so the network that runs it is always changing it's time slot, or pulling it off altogether midway through a season, very frustrating.
On top of this I just heard that Third Watch has also been cancelled, a show that I've only just "discovered" this past season, another excellent series bites the dust. Oh well, at least I'll have plenty to look forward to with the reruns on Foxtel eventually.
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magnus greel
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Post by magnus greel on Feb 11, 2006 7:06:41 GMT -6
The culture is deteriorating with no end in sight, no end to it ever maybe, because corporations manipulate what we expect and want, except for a few of us who aren't a profitable market foir them, and whom they expect to be watching PBS anyway. Only PBS doesn't have much of anything either.
"Reality" shows cost a lot less. So many dramas which could have been equally popular aren't as profitable.
I have to think though, that Wells West Wing squandered a lot of the popularity and good will built up by Sorkin WW, despite its being good. Without the extra Sorkin spark to it, I have to think casual viewers were thinking Wells et al were asking the public to just shut up and take their medicine (dry, serious political drama) like good boys and girls. Sorkin proved it could grab you even if you couldn't care less about Meet The Press. The Wells version undercut that message and "proved" political drama is dry, again.
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Post by AresGirl on Feb 24, 2006 18:07:56 GMT -6
West Wing's ratings have been dropping steadily for the past 3 seasons, so it's no surprise that's been cancelled. Part of the reason was that it got too "preachy" and people lost interest. I know I did, but I still make an effort to watch it every week. There's a good site out there that has spoilers westwing.bewarne.com/extras/spoilerblog.htmlJenn
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magnus greel
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Post by magnus greel on Mar 28, 2006 3:47:08 GMT -6
It looks as if Leo actually dies next week, according to the preview. It's been really strange knowing J Spencer is dead, and waiting for the show to catch up with that fact.
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