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Jul 28, 2010 21:16:53 GMT -6
Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jul 28, 2010 21:16:53 GMT -6
Since my co-workers and I had so much fun with this today I thought I'd share. Scenario to follow and keep in mind there is no right answer. You can take it seriously or not. We had some pretty funny debates this morning. Here goes: ALIEN'S ARE COMING!!! That's right.......the alien's are coming. But not to invade or destroy as you might suspect from all the b-grade sci fi movies of the 50's and 60's. They are here to rescue you. The planet is/has gone to hell in a hand basket and they've chosen you to carry on. They are coming to pick you up and will deliver you to an entirely new planet that is shockingly exactly like this one, with one exception. The new one has never known the tread of a human being. There are no buildings no roads no civilization at all. One catch, there is limited space on this alien space ship (go with it it's in the script) and you can only take whatever you can fit inside a box that is 3x3x3. Three feet deep, three feet wide, etc.... What do you take with you? And what part of the world do you ask them to drop you off in?
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Jul 29, 2010 4:27:49 GMT -6
Post by Phalon on Jul 29, 2010 4:27:49 GMT -6
Oh, oh, oh! Are questions allowed, or do they have to be packed into the box too....cuz I wouldn't want to waste valuable space, ya know.
Gonna have to think on this, because of course, the first thing that pops into my head is coffee and chocolate.
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Jul 29, 2010 21:41:03 GMT -6
Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jul 29, 2010 21:41:03 GMT -6
Of course questions are welcome!
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Jul 29, 2010 21:47:28 GMT -6
Post by Phalon on Jul 29, 2010 21:47:28 GMT -6
Ok, ok....this new planet that is shockingly like earth, but has never been tread upon before by humans....has it been tread upon by aliens? Animals that are shockingly like the ones on earth, or different alien kinds of animals? Plant life - does it bite? Or is it the same as here? Is the water potable? Does it have water?
Shockingly exactly exactly like this one, or does it only look shockingly like this one.
(are you tired of me yet?) Just gotta make sure, ya know.
Oh, and have the fawna invented coffee yet?
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Jul 29, 2010 22:59:31 GMT -6
Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jul 29, 2010 22:59:31 GMT -6
LOL....leave it to you to point out the finer details. Think of this new planet as Earth 20,000 years ago. The plants and animals are all the same as we have. Right down to the mosquitos. Again, sans humans. ANd yes there is coffee but you'll have to go where it's naturally growing. Unless you remember to bring along a coffee tree.
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Jul 30, 2010 4:35:08 GMT -6
Post by Phalon on Jul 30, 2010 4:35:08 GMT -6
Did you know that 20,000 years ago, that poor woolly mammoth was attacked by tribesman; it's last dying cry triggered an avalanche which kept it frozen in Ice Age time for paleontologists to find at a later date.
Yep. You know I had to drill life on Earth 20,000 years ago. Just to be prepared....wouldn't want to be caught dead in a bathing suit in the middle of an Ice Age. I wouldn't want to be caught dead in a bathing suit in any age, actually. Maybe at age 20; things were firmer then.
How 'bout we ignore this, and go with "the plants and animals are all the same as we have."
One last question, and then I'm ready to pack my bags....er...box.
Are the aliens patient enough to wait while I decide what to wear for the trip? I'd hate to be underdressed for such an event.
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Jul 30, 2010 20:11:24 GMT -6
Post by stepper on Jul 30, 2010 20:11:24 GMT -6
While waiting for Madam P to decide on how much skin she's going to bare, I have a question. Is she the only one with a box? I'd like to live longer than a week - we landing in the tropics or a desert or a dessert? Cause ultimately you-know-who will bring a compressed 9 sq foot box of coffee no matter where we end up.
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Jul 31, 2010 10:05:34 GMT -6
Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jul 31, 2010 10:05:34 GMT -6
LOL....Stepper you know I hadn't thought of that. But you're probably right. So, allow me to make this as clear and headche free as possible...
Each person get's his or her own box. Yes you can take your time with your wardrobe. And you can ask the aliens to drop you off anywhere. And the planet is just like it is now, minus buildings and cars and anything that humans have built. I have even decided to allow that there are heards of wild-ish cows and chickens and pigs around for your conveinance. So there. No mammoths Madam P. Is that better?
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Jul 31, 2010 20:34:22 GMT -6
Post by Phalon on Jul 31, 2010 20:34:22 GMT -6
Oh! Mrs. Juan Valdez is coming too!
Yes. Wildish cows shall provide cream for Mrs. Valdez's coffee.
Ok, after hours of primping, I'm ready. My traveling ensemble consists of a fashionable long-sleeved body suit of light-weight, space-age, Gortex-like fabric that is waterproof, windproof, and oh-so-warm in the winter, but cool in summer. Over the bodysuit, I'm wearing comfy jeans and a t-shirt. The outer layer is an insulated parka made of waterproof material. My feet are snug in thick wool socks, and insulated, waterproof hiking boots. Thick, waterproof gloves cover an inner pair of leather work gloves. A stylish wool hat - the kind made of many colors, with a tassel on the tail - adorns my head. (Did you know that aliens get extremely hot and therefore keep the air-conditioning in spacecrafts turned up high. I'm just dressing for the trip.)
I am asking to be dropped off in the lower left of Michigan's lower peninsula; it'll be easy for the aliens to find - all they have to do is look for the Mitten. Ah, yes...there are warmer, and more exotic places one could choose, but my reasoning is simple, (simple mind of mine, you know). First, in Michigan, a person is never more than seven miles from a body of fresh water. I know the plants here, what is edible, and what is not. Michigan only has one poisonous snake, only a couple of poisonous spiders, and I plan on meeting up with none of them. No scorpions, adders, constrictors, deadly crocodiles, sharks, piranhas, or rabid wildish cows. I'm assuming, since Scrappy has been so generous thus far, it'd be too much to ask that the black bears and cougars that once roamed here, but are now gone, remain further north where they now live since man's inhabitance. It's okay - I don't plan on meeting either of those either.
Summers are pleasant, fall is perfect. Spring is wet, but I've got all that gortex, so I'll stay nice and dry. Winter can be a b!tch, and for this I will become friends with a bear. I shall be the new-age, space-age Grizzly Adams....except there are no grizzlies in Michigan. Black Bear Phalon, they'll call me (since I'm alone, "they" are the people I talk to that only I can see, because obviously I've gone a bit mad from being by myself). Anyway, they, my black bear and I will snuggle down in a nice, dry cave during winter, where I will have a nice, warm furry companion to keep away the cold.
Ok...traveling outfit, and destination picked out, I'm off to pack my box.
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Jul 31, 2010 22:56:44 GMT -6
Post by Phalon on Jul 31, 2010 22:56:44 GMT -6
Wait!!!! Let's rewind a minute to the question and answer portion of this thread.
Stepper said "we".
Which got me to thinking....which obviously I'm doing too much of where this topic is concerned, but it's not entirely my fault. See, I just finished reading a short story about a luminous fish that appeared out of nowhere in an outhouse in the middle of the desert that had been without a drop of rain for nine months. No lie. Right out of nowhere in an outdoor toilet. It was a miracle! And the miracle luminous fish granted miracles too. Only the fish turned out to be a monkey's paw. Which got me to thinking about the reappearing fish in the Scrolls story, which reminded me of Scrappy, which reminded me of this thread. So blame this on the fish - what a basstard.
Anyway, when I first read this (thread, not the fish tale), I pictured an apocolyptic type earth, and thought "you" meant me - as in each of us individually. Not "us" - as in us. Are we going as a group? Cuz I was having problems trying to fit my family, two cats, and dog into a 3x3 box with all my other stuff. A group trip would change all my plans, and I wouldn't need the bear. He might turn out to be a monkey's paw, anyway.
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Post by stepper on Aug 1, 2010 3:08:40 GMT -6
Quoted mostly because that was such a fun twisted sequence completely devoid of logic. But outhouses and miracle granting luminous fish monkey paws aside... Quoted because that was my next question. Am I taking care of myself, or is the walking coffe bean a neighbor? More people changes strategy. Obviously the real question is can 'I' survive, but am I worrying about anyone else? More people means survival as a species instead of survival as a person which really twists the plans up. And I have one more question along that line. As Madam P indicated, is existing family an option? I know...we're making this too difficult...but I need a few parameters before I can play.
If this place is like mother earth you need: a.Water/containers b.Personal protection items c.Fire starting items d.Food procurement items Each a.-d. will have many sub items Any item should have multi uses
You have to survive from day one. You can't think you'll get there and make something that you must have immediately.
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Aug 1, 2010 16:56:23 GMT -6
Post by Scrappy Amazon on Aug 1, 2010 16:56:23 GMT -6
Taking a moment from my box packing to answer the new round of questions.
No coment btw on the stange glowing fish-of-wishes....
Anyone who is a member of whoosh that participates is allowed to go. You can all choose to go together or as individuals. After all some people may not want to planted in the mitten. However, in keeping with the original "project" your human families are not allowed but yes you can take your pets. Anyone who works for an animal shelter that was not allowed their pets would have revolted.......no revolting jokes please Madam P. So sorry Hubs and the kids have to find their own space ship.
Shew....anything else?
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Aug 1, 2010 17:55:07 GMT -6
Post by Mini Mia on Aug 1, 2010 17:55:07 GMT -6
My theory is: this is kind of/sort of like taking a wagon train west ... a ship to the Americas ... yes? People go in a group, but not all go to the same destination. Some break off and go their own way at certain stopping points along the way. That's how I was picturing it anyways.
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Post by Phalon on Aug 2, 2010 6:11:52 GMT -6
What??!!! No Hubs?!? No girls?!? No human families, but pets are allowed? Man, that's cold. You animal shelter types are tough.
Since Hubs and the girls are not allowed, the pets will not be coming with me. Then I won't have to worry about litter box and pooper scooper duty; it's not my job.
I'm hoping we can all go as a group, and I can convince everyone to live with me in the Mitten. If we live together, it'll be all warm and fuzzy in the Mitten....because it's not made of scratchy wool, since apparently, there are no woolly mammoths.
Gimme the day to think about it. I'm sure I can come up with something. Having Hostess Probstess flashbacks yet?
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Post by Phalon on Aug 3, 2010 4:35:50 GMT -6
One more question....do we get to choose which season it is when we land?
Thus far, my box contains....
1. an ultra compact, lightweight, super-thermal sleeping bag, with a maximum insulation rating, and compactibility so great it folds into a size that nearly fits into the palm of your hand. (yes, they actually make these)
2. an ultra light, compact, four season tent.
3. a really sharp hunting knife with protective leather sheath, cuz though Mom always told me not to run with scissors, she never mentioned anything about running with really sharp hunting knives.
4. a maddox - I think that's what they're called; those tools with an ax on one end of the the head, and a hammer on the other.
5. a box of assorted-sized nails...in case I decide to make miniature doll furniture or something.
6. a pot
7. in this pot, (to save on space), goes 5 pair of underwear, and 5 pair of socks - 3 cotton and 2 wool, (the socks, not the underwear), cuz though Mom didn't warn me against running with hunting knives, she did mention not to get caught in an accident with holey underwear and dirty socks.
8. rolled into the socks (to save on space), which are in the pot to save on space is: 1.) a pocket knife with all the gadgets to include the obligatory cork screw to open that complimentary bottle of wine the aliens left upon my arrival. 2.) my Ipod - it's a "Shuffle" so it's extremely small. I will enjoy the tunage while it lasts, and afterward, the Shuffle part can be used like a clothes-pin type thing for clipping whatever needs to be clipped (one can never have too many gadgets or clips), and the ear buds will make great ear plugs which will keep out the sound of the crickets intent on ruining my good nights' sleep. Or sinkers for my fishing pole (to be constructed upon arrival). 3.) a flint 4.) a six-pack of disposable Bic lighters in a zip-lock plastic bag, to be used until I learn to use the flint.
9. a nice-sized air-tight Tupperware container to keep all those berries and whatnots nice and fresh.
10. packed inside the nice-sized Tupperware container (to save on space) are personal hygiene items: brush, toothbrush and paste, soap, etc.....yes, I will be enjoying the hell out of these while they last.
11. Since the girls are not allowed (sniff and sob all over again), I'm trading in my Mom's Handbook for the Alien Planet Which is Shockingly Like Earth Ultimate Survivalist's Guide, which comes in it's own waterproof, bulletproof bag, which has many other uses, I'm sure.
12. nylon rope
13. a tarp
I will continue packing later; I've run out of time this morning. Since contents settle while shipping, and also during the day while working, I will have lots more space when I return.
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Aug 3, 2010 21:50:59 GMT -6
Post by katina2nd on Aug 3, 2010 21:50:59 GMT -6
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Aug 3, 2010 22:43:59 GMT -6
Post by Phalon on Aug 3, 2010 22:43:59 GMT -6
HA! Good thing, cuz I was going let you live in my Mitten under the condition of "D" - you'd be the one to do the hunting, building, fishing, chopping, fire starting, etc, etc, etc....
I'll wash dishes. I've only got one pot, remember.
Just kidding, Katina. I'd be happy to have you in my Mitten....but if you bring up "C" again, you're resigned to the thumb.
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Post by Phalon on Aug 4, 2010 7:16:03 GMT -6
Ok, now that yesterday's contents have settled, I'm finishing off my packing. In addition to yesterday's items, my box now contains....where was I? Oh, yes...
14. nylon thread, and 3 needles....in case, after 45 years, I suddenly decide to take up sewing.
15. netting, which has a multitude of uses, such as fishing, trapping, mosquito keeping outting, and Halloween costume making.
16. shower shoes.....there will be a shower, yes?
17. a change of clothes...pants - the convertible kind with the zip-off knees, t-shirt, and hoodie.
18. a towel
19. a bag of rubber bands, and box of paperclips. The purpose hasn't been decided yet, but since I can never find one now when I need one, and the girls and Hubs aren't allowed on this trip (another round of sniff and sob), I will have plenty on hand if they're needed.
20. A big-@ss flashlight, like the kind policemen carry, and extra super-duty, long-lasting batteries, minus the Energizer Bunny, because I'd have to kill him with the butt-end of the flashlight just because he's so annoying, and pink bunnies don't taste good. After the batteries finally die, the tube part of the flashlight will make a nice container. The light-bulb can be held above my head when I get a bright idea....appropriately, the light-bulb is small and unlit.
21. a box of tapered candles, for the time between when the flashlight batteries eventually die, and I learn to make beeswax candles without getting stung. Also to use to wax my skis.
22. packets of seeds: corn, beans, peas, sunflowers, and pumpkins - all nutritious and delicious fresh; the seeds can be dried for winter nibbling, planting the following year, and luring unsuspecting squirrels, turkeys, and other seed eating food into my snares. The dried stalks of sunflowers and corn will be used for something, I'm sure, that is detailed in the Alien World Survival guide; I just haven't got to that chapter yet. Corn husks and silk will be made into corn husk dolls with silken hair, because my miniature doll furniture needs to be used by somebody. Jack - my pumpkin friend with the crooked smile - will accompany me trick-or-treating, while I'm dressed in my costume of netting.
23. a first-aid kit - long explanation unnecessary; I'm a klutz.
24. a composition book of lined paper and two pens, for which I will use to make my To-Do Lists, doodle with while talking to myself, and write notes to the aliens requesting coffee and chocolate (the empty complimentary wine bottle serves as a vessel in which to put these notes, before throwing them into the lake).
25. all extra space, and every remaining nook and cranny of the box will be filled with high-energy mocha granola bars to tide me over until the aliens send my shipments of coffee and chocolate.
I think I'm done. I'm probably forgetting something; I always do when I pack, and remember it just as Hubs halfway down our street. He always turns the car around so I can get what I've forgotten. Will the aliens do this for me? Pfft! (sniff and sob once more)
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Aug 4, 2010 20:56:25 GMT -6
Post by stepper on Aug 4, 2010 20:56:25 GMT -6
Madam P has one heck of a head start on packing.
I think we first need to decide if we are going as "we", or will we be loners? Or distant neighbors? And if we are "we", do we agree on where we are going? I'm not thrilled with the mitten because of the severe winters. Phalon's knowlege of plants and territory would be really helpful though. Where I live isn't a good choice because around here the summers are a bit extreme and soil is poor for most crops. If we go as a group, what skills do we bring with us? Is anyone a flint knapper? A tanner? Are any of us experienced campers - RV and vacation camping don't count here. About crops. Does the mitten compare to the great plains before our farming techniques led us to the dust bowl years?
I have limited camp fire cooking skills, but I can do it. Y'all like flaming charcoal fritters don't 'cha? And flaming charcoal surprise! And crushed charcoal power for dessert? The smoke alarm I use to indicate when things are cooked won't bother you since the lack of electricity will muffle the noise a tad. That and the fact that I'm not bringing it will keep the noise down.
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Aug 4, 2010 21:08:09 GMT -6
Post by stepper on Aug 4, 2010 21:08:09 GMT -6
Righto I'm in, sounds like fun [ complicated fun ] at the moment I'm leaning toward Gam's suggestion of going as a group and living in her Mitten Me too because our chances of surviving as a group are better than our chances alone even if I'm not personally thrilled with winters there. And of course there's much to be said for Since you brought it up, you bear any consequences that go with saying it.
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Post by katina2nd on Aug 5, 2010 1:30:12 GMT -6
HA! Good thing, cuz I was going let you live in my Mitten under the condition of "D" - you'd be the one to do the hunting, building, fishing, chopping, fire starting, etc, etc, etc.... I'll wash dishes. I've only got one pot, remember. Just kidding, Katina. I'd be happy to have you in my Mitten....but if you bring up "C" again, you're resigned to the thumb. Deal. I'm sure I can work out how to bring down a Mastodon or two for our supper [ there "are" Mastodon's aren't there, I'm still not 100% sure of the time period we're in ] And nope, won't bring up "C" again ............ although I did notice you're bringing some needles and thread, can I turn to you if I've got some socks that need mending? And of course there's much to be said for Since you brought it up, you bear any consequences that go with saying it. I think I've covered my butt on that one Step' [ figuratively that is ] at least I hope I have. Okay, off to work out what to pack.
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Post by Phalon on Aug 6, 2010 7:57:32 GMT -6
Only if you want socks that are in a worse condition when I'm finished than when I started.
I ask you to reserve judgement on Mitten Living, Step, until I get back from a short trip this weekend, and have time to properly extoll its benefits...and there are many. In the meantime, don't worry too much about the winters....remember, the more the warmer. Isn't that how the saying goes? There's a lot to be said for huddling. What's the lyrics to that song? "We'll huddle through, whatever we do. Together, wherever we go." Something like that; I'm sure there's a mitten mentioned in there somewhere too.
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Aug 7, 2010 17:20:58 GMT -6
Post by stepper on Aug 7, 2010 17:20:58 GMT -6
I'll leave the benefits of Michigan to Madam P. But while we're waiting, here's some other locations to consider.
Africa and Madagascar: Africa will provide people with the food, water, medicine, shelter; everything people need for a healthy, prosperous life. Vast areas of the continent – like the Congo Basin and Miombo-Mopane Woodlands and Savannas – hold enormous promise. These represent two of the five most important wilderness areas on the Earth. =====================================
Somewhere in the Mediterranean Basin - Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Libya, or Algeria. The largest of the world's five Mediterranean-climate regions, the Mediterranean Basin stretches west to east from Portugal to Jordan and north to south from northern Italy to Morocco. Surrounding the Mediterranean Sea, the 2,085,292 km² also include parts of Spain, France, the Balkan states, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and Algeria, as well as around five thousand islands scattered around the Mediterranean Sea.
The basin's location at the intersection of two major landmasses, Eurasia and Africa, has contributed to its high diversity and spectacular scenery. The region boasts mountains as high as 4,500 meters, peninsulas, and one of the largest archipelagos in the world. The climate of the Mediterranean Basin is dominated by cool, wet winters and hot, dry summers, and rainfall ranges from as little as 100 millimeters to as much as 3,000 millimeters. ====================================== Mesoamerica - Spanning most of Central America, the Mesoamerica encompasses all subtropical and tropical ecosystems from central Mexico to the Panama Canal. This includes all of Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica, as well as a third of Mexico and nearly two-thirds of Panama. Note that this would keep Madam P in coffee and chocolate. ===================================== That Atlantic Forrest The Atlantic Forest or Mata Atlântica stretches along Brazil's Atlantic coast, from the northern state of Rio Grande do Norte south to Rio Grande do Sul. It extends inland to eastern Paraguay and the province of Misiones in northeastern Argentina, and narrowly along the coast into Uruguay. Also included the offshore archipelago of Fernando de Noronha and several other islands off the Brazilian coast.
Long isolated from other major rainforest blocks in South America, the Atlantic Forest has an extremely diverse and unique mix of vegetation and forest types. The two main ecoregions are the coastal Atlantic forest, the narrow strip of about 50-100 kilometers along the coast which covers about 20 percent of the region. The second main ecoregion, the interior Atlantic Forest, stretches across the foothills of the Serra do Mar into southern Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina. These forests extend as far as 500-600 kilometers inland and range as high as 2,000 meters above sea level. Altitude determines at least three vegetation types in the Atlantic Forest: the lowland forest of the coastal plain, montane forests, and the high-altitude grassland or campo rupestre.
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Ecuador - See Mesoamerica
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The Amazon - Like Africa - diverse living conditions and ample supplies of everything necessary for survival.
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Aug 7, 2010 18:11:04 GMT -6
Post by Mini Mia on Aug 7, 2010 18:11:04 GMT -6
Who says you have to stay in one place? Be nomads and spend the seasons in the areas with the best weather conditions. Do as the geese and other birds. Go south for winter, and north for summer.
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Aug 7, 2010 21:51:17 GMT -6
Post by stepper on Aug 7, 2010 21:51:17 GMT -6
Snowbirding would require we travel quite a distance and limits our ability to grow and tend crops. Birds and animals would potentially ravage a garden plot unless we homesteaded, and crops would have to be consumed almost immediately. Transportation of weighty garden goodies would be a bit of a challenge too. American Indian tribes were quite successful and most were nomadic, but they had varying life stiles. Lenape and Iroquois tribes who lived further north planted crops in garden plots in their villages, but they didn't harvest enough to last the winter so they would split up into hunting camps during during the winter. The tribes who were expert farmers were the Hopi, Navajo, and Cherokee. Their agriculture was the most advanced of the tribes. Living in what is now the southern United States and Mexico, they used special farming techniques like irrigation, terracing, crop rotation, and windbreaks to improve their farms, and they usually harvested enough crops to dry and store for the winter. The Inuit (Eskimos) and some Indian tribes of the far north relied almost entirely on hunting and fishing for survival. They led a nomadic life style, so it IS possible, but they had transportation that we can't count on. I'm not saying "no way", I'm just trying to consider as many angles in advance as possible. I don't want to get there and then realize something else would have been a much better choice.
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Aug 8, 2010 17:07:15 GMT -6
Post by Scrappy Amazon on Aug 8, 2010 17:07:15 GMT -6
So far you have all done extraoridnarily well. Well at least way better than my work gang. The best answer we got for the day over there: Cartons of cigarettes, cases of vodka, and a blow up doll. Ok so the blow up doll started out as a woman he could fold up into the box and I sorta extrapolated from there.
My box looks similar to Mdam P's. Mostly survival gear minues the ipod....pfft.....Nature will have to provide me with music. And about the sobbing.....you're getting everything all wet you know. Which makes it heavier. I'll pack you a reusable hankie so you can sob all the way to the new planet.
As far as living in the mitten......no way. I'd love to live in a group. The more the merrier but I'm with stepper on the freezing my ass of fear. Personally I'd like to go somewhere in the pacific northwest. Lot's of rivers and great soil fro growing plus you're close to the ocean and depending on how far up the coast you get no sharks! (been watching shark week on discovery channel)
ANd yeah, I'm thinking we must be forgetting something! Did Madam P mention a fold up shovel?
Oh and Step the man....most of the places you mentioned have snakes. Fraid I can't do snakes. ICKICKICK
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Aug 8, 2010 20:15:09 GMT -6
Post by stepper on Aug 8, 2010 20:15:09 GMT -6
Scrap - I haven't posted my box of stuff yet because I'm still looking into what I'll take...but in answer to your comment, here's one of the things on my list.
================ Credit to Madam P on her Maddox. My box will include the lighter weight folding trenching tool, and I'll use it in the process of forming a digging stick. Her tool is heavier and will do a better job - I'm simply looking for what I can fit in the box. =============== I'm not a fan of snakes either, but the areas with the best biodiversity are also bound to have a few snakes around. I did a quick check and the Pacific Northwest includes Kingsnakes, California Kingsnakes, Gopher snakes, Western Rattlesnakes, and several more. Don't worry though. If any come around we'll make a meal of them - literally.
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Aug 12, 2010 21:20:56 GMT -6
Post by stepper on Aug 12, 2010 21:20:56 GMT -6
I have my stuff pretty much figured out...I need to make a couple of decisions and then I'll post some survival thoughts and my box of stuff.
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Aug 13, 2010 21:44:40 GMT -6
Post by Phalon on Aug 13, 2010 21:44:40 GMT -6
Oh! I still have to prepare my rebuttal for all you Mitten Winter Naysayers. Be prepared to be amazed.....or something.
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Aug 13, 2010 21:52:13 GMT -6
Post by stepper on Aug 13, 2010 21:52:13 GMT -6
I can hardly wait to be or somethinged by you Madam P!
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