I had a young girl tell me I reminded her of Cyndi Lauper. And then apologized and hoped I didn't take it the wrong way, it was a compliment. In Cyndi's 'Time After Time' video, when she isn't in the wild hair and makeup, when she's playing her 'young self,' I can see a resemblance. At a Church function, I had an older man tell me I reminded him of 'that young girl from Dallas.' (Charlene Tilton) I told the Pastor's wife, and she said, "Looking like her is okay, as long as you don't act like her."
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Oh, Cyndi Lauper! Let's do a quote from her. A musical icon, she's also a huge LGBTQ rights and equality activist.
"It is not a dirty word, 'feminism'. I just think that women belong in the human population with the same rights as everybody else. ... The problem is, 'A feminist looks like this, or is like that'. We are taught not to like ourselves as women, we are taught what we're supposed to look like, what our measurements are supposed to be. I never hear what measurements men are supposed to be. Just women. ~ Cyndi Lauper
"That's the whole trouble of this fire. Nobody cares. Nobody. Hundred forty-six people in a half an hour. I have always tears in my eyes when I think. It should never have happened. The executives with a couple of steps could have opened the door. But they thought they were better than the working people. It's not fair because material, money, is more important here than everything.
That's the biggest mistake -- that a person doesn't count much when he hasn't got money. What good is a rich man if he hasn't got a heart? I don't pretend. I feel it. Still." ~ Rose Freedman, a lifelong crusader for worker safety after surviving the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire of 1911.
When she turned 106 years old, she said "To me, 106 is a number. I lived that long, not only on account of my genes, but on account of my attitude. You've got to stand up for yourself. Am I right?" She lived to 107. Here's her story:
Linda (Brown) Thompson died today, at the age of 76. Most people recognize her by her maiden name, Linda Brown - of the Supreme Court Case, Brown vs. the Board of Education. As a young girl in Topeka Kansas, Brown was forced to attend an all-black school far away from her home even though an all-white school was only blocks away.
Her father, along with four other families sued for the right for their children to attend all white schools; the court case was named for Brown because her name came first alphabetically. The Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of the families. In its decision, the court overturned the 1896 “separate but equal” laws of segregation, marking the case as one of the biggest legal victories of the civil rights era. It was due to Brown v. Board of Education that the federal government could force states to integrate schools, allowing children of color the opportunity for an equal education to white children. Throughout her life, she remained a civil rights activist.
"Looking back on Brown v. The Board of Education, it has made an impact in all facets of life for minorities throughout the land, I really think of it in terms of what it has done for our young people, in taking away that feeling of second class citizenship. I think it has made the dreams, hopes and aspirations of our young people greater, today." ~ Linda Brown Thompson
In my county, black kids had their own school until I was in second grade. Their school building was falling apart, and so they were then allowed in the 'white' school. I still remember it. How the adults were whispering about the 'bad' thing that was coming. They'd shut up when they noticed kids listening, or whenever I asked about the 'bad' thing. I didn't want to go to school that day, knowing something 'bad' was going to happen. And when four black kids walked into my classroom, I thought, "That's the bad thing?" Two black boys and two black girls. Me and the tallest black girl became fast friends. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this in the 'To Kill a Mocking Bird' discussion thread.
That was a good book discussion...speaking of which, how's "Emma" coming along, hmmmm?
Next week is spring break for BP, and as she's done for the past four years, she wants to spend it with LX....only this time, she wants to drive herself. Driving two-and-a-half hours each way (three hours if she drives the speed limit!) alone in that 17-year old beat-up convertible of hers, not even having her driver's license for a full year? Heck, her car is older than she is! Uhm, sorry for you Dearest, you are no Alice Ramsey.
"Good driving has nothing to do with sex. It’s all above the collar." ~ Alice Huyler Ramsey, who at age 22 and at a time when women were not encouraged to drive, became the first woman to drive coast-to-coast. Her "crew" that traveled with her, consisted of her two older sisters-in-law and 16 year-old friend Hermine Jahns, none of whom could drive a car. They completed the 3,800 mile journey in 59 days in 1909.
We did our taxes a couple of weeks ago - I took them to a tax preparer, which I've done since Mike died, and I had his estate to deal with, and n the sale of Mom's house. I was really amazed at how quickly we got the federal tax return back - it was in a matter of days!!! (Nothing from the state yet, though.) I helped the BP with her taxes, and walked LX through the state forms on the phone - I swear, Michigan's tax forms can be so confusing!
Well, Women's History Month is over, but that doesn't mean women's history still isn't being made!
My sister and I go to an accountant because of the Farm. We have to divide what comes in and what goes out. She was waiting on a tax document, which came in at the end of last week. We're usually late anyways.
Do you get penalized for being late? It seems that if a document comes this late, there should be an extension to file your taxes. I thought all tax documents by federal law had to be post marked by the 31st of January - or maybe that's just W2s?
My sister and Mom have had to do extensions. As long as you have legitimate reasons, I don't think there's any penalization. But, I've never had to extend my taxes, nor have I ever been late. My sister is done with hers, and I just need to type up my personal ins/outs. My farm ins/outs have already been typed up. I love to type, so any excuse I get I take it. It's so much nicer than handing over hen scratches.
Yesterday, three days late, I ended Black History month and started Women's History month with a quote from Harriet Jacobs' book "Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl": “There are no bonds so strong as those which are formed by suffering together.”
Thinking I'll continue throughout March in this thread with quotes from women authors for Women's History month. Having recently read "The Good Earth", a great quote to start this month-long journey with, I think, comes from the book's author.
The truth has never been told about women in history: that everywhere man has gone woman has gone too, and what he has done she has done also. Women are ignorant of their own past and ignorant of their own importance in that past. ~ Pearl S. Buck (1892-1973)
Pearl Buck wrote more than seventy books in a variety of genres and was the first woman to win both the Pulitzer and Nobel Prizes for literature. Through her writings she brought attention to issues of gender, politics, and race. She was also a passionate humanitarian activist and a civil rights activist, and a vocal supporter of the Equal Rights Amendment during a time when most organized women’s groups opposed it.
"I like to help women help themselves, as that is, in my opinion, the best way to settle the woman question. Whatever we can do and do well we have a right to, and I don’t think any one will deny us." ~ Louisa May Alcott (November 29, 1832 – March 6, 1888)
Louisa May Alcott is best known for writing "Little Women" (and its sequels) but she also wrote many Gothic thrillers under various pseudonymous. She became a writer out of financial need, and through her earnings as an author became the primary breadwinner in her family at a young age. It was very important for her to provide for her parents and three sisters, and she demanded that she get paid for what she felt her work was worth, as opposed to being paid little just to get her work published as many writers did (and still do). Thusly, she lived to see her work earn a fortune.
She was a promoter of women’s rights and campaigned for women’s suffrage. Never married or having children of her own, she wasn't opposed to the idea, but believed that there was more opportunity for women than being a wife and mother if they so chose.
I know we've talked about this before, whether in this thread or another - women authors who have had to publish under male-sounding pseudonyms. The Bronte sisters used male pen names because the times they lived in perceived women as frivolous and without credibility. R.K. Rowling was told by her publisher to use her initials because Harry Potter would appeal to both boys and girls, but boys would never read a book written by a female.
Same was true for this author, who because there was a lack of satisfying books for teenagers, decided to write one herself.
"When I was young, all the books were about a Mary Jane and the football player and the prom and ending up with the quiet guy and making your mom happy." ~ Susan Eloise Hinton
Susan Eloise Hinton is better known as S.E. Hinton, author of "The Outsiders", "That was Then, This is Now", "Rumblefish" and others.
Susan Eloise Hinton was only 15 when she began writing "The Outsiders" and was just 17 when it was first published in 1967. Frustrated with relatable books offered as teenage reading material, she felt compelled to write something with more substance.
Viking Press, the publisher, told Hinton to use her initials instead of her full name due to concerns that readers and reviewers alike would automatically dismiss a book about teenage boys written by a female...let alone a female teenager.
Her first royalty check for "The Outsiders" was $10. The book nearly went out of print until teachers and librarians recognized how much it resonated with young readers, and started using it as part of English class curriculum in middle school and high school. It's still one of the most frequently challenged books, having been banned from schools and libraries for its portrayal of gang violence, underage smoking and drinking, strong language/slang, and family dysfunction. However, it's still being used as required reading in many U.S. schools.
I loved this book when I was a teenager. "The Outsiders" was required reading in junior high, and I loved it so much, I read "That was Then, This is Now" immediately afterward. (I don't recall ever reading "Rumblefish".) At the time, I didn't knew S.E. Hinton was a girl, or a teenager when she wrote it, and I don't think it would have mattered if I did. Kinda sad her publisher thought it did matter.
"Above all, be the heroine of your own life, not the victim." ~ Nora Ephron (May 19, 1941 – June 26, 2012)
Nora Ephron was a journalist, novelist, and screenwriter. After graduating Wellesley College in 1962, and interning at the White House for JFK, she applied as a journalist to Newsweek, but was told they didn't hire women writers, and instead was given a job as a mail girl.
Frustrated with not being allowed to write, she quit the mail girl job (and was part of a class action lawsuit against Newsweek for sexual discrimination), and went on to write as a reporter for The New York Post, and a columnist for Esquire, before writing her first of many novels.
It was screenwriting though, where Ephron's work really took off, having written the scripts for blockbuster movies like "Silkwood", "When Harry Met Sally", "Sleepless in Seattle", "You've Got Mail", and her last film before she died, "Julie & Julia".
You've never read "The Outsiders"? Dang, I thought that was one of those books that everyone has read at least once in their life; I've read it multiple times. I've never seen the movie though - all of Hinton's books were made into movies, most of them with the Brat Pack actors.
Here's a quote from a woman writer who was perhaps ahead of her time:
"Common sense is seeing things as they are; and doing things as they ought to be." ~ Harriet Beecher Stowe (1811-1896)
Harriet Beecher Stowe was an abolitionist, author, and humanitarian, using "her pen as a catalyst for change". She's best known for writing "Uncle Tom’s Cabin" which only after the Bible, was the best selling book of the 19th century, and the first international bestseller from any author, man or woman.
In addition to writing about slavery, she was also concerned with the status of women, and wrote both fiction and nonfiction regarding the strength, intelligence, and worth of women.
This author doesn't have the novels under her belt that the other women we've discussed do, but she did come up with a novel idea, helping to empower women.
I traded high heels and an air-conditioned office for boots, Dickies and grime-covered hands. ~ Patrice Banks
Once a successful engineer for a Fortune 500 company, Patrice Banks left it all to become...an auto mechanic. After being ripped off numerous times by male-mechanics, and learning statics prove that auto-mechanics charge women higher prices in addition to selling them unnecessary parts and services, she looked for a female mechanic. There were none. Still working her day job, she took night classes in auto repair at a community college and worked for free in a repair shop on the weekends.
She graduated in two years with a degree in automotive technology, quit her day job, and opened an auto repair shop of her own - The Girls Auto Clinic, hiring other female mechanics that couldn't find work because of their gender; even when she worked for free while going to school, Banks had a difficult time finding a place that would hire a woman for this type of work. Not to mention, her logo is just kick@ass - a red stiletto with a wrench for the heel - and her shop has a nail salon attached for customers who have to wait.
In addition to the repair shop, Banks holds free workshops in parking lots, garages and auto-repair shops to educate women about the basics of car care and buying cars so they’re equipped to ask questions and negotiate prices with mechanics and salesmen. Companies and women’s groups, including Girl Scout troops and car dealerships, have hired her to talk to their employees and members. She even accompanies women to dealerships and repair shops make sure they're getting fair treatment.
Her book "Girls Auto Clinic: Glove Box Guide" is an easy-to-use resource for car maintenance, repair, and roadside assistance - a book that mechanics say every driver should own, whether male or female. After reading the reviews, it's definitely going on Christmas lists for the girls. BP asked me just last week to accompany her to the quick oil-change place because last time she was there just for an oil-change, she left almost $60 poorer, having been told the extras were needed items just to keep her car running (they were not). Can't say I haven't been taken advantage of either at repair shops - there is one place in town that treats women like idiots; I only go there if the other place is booked for days. They are rude and disrespectful and totally obnoxious, but if Hubs is with me, it's an entirely different attitude - of course, it's like I'm not even there with him, because I'm totally ignored, but at least, he's treated with respect.
"We’re all capable of climbing so much higher than we usually permit ourselves to suppose." ~ Octavia Butler (June 22, 1947 – February 24, 2006)
Octavia Butler was an American author of science fiction and a trailblazer in the genre. Science fiction was once a white male-dominated genre, but "The Grand Dame of Science Fiction" as she became known as, Butler broke ground not only as a woman, but as an African-American. A winner of many science fiction and writing awards, she was described by The New York Times as "an internationally acclaimed science fiction writer whose evocative, often troubling novels explore far-reaching issues of race, sex, power, and ultimately, what it meant to be human."
If I had to pick just two favorite women authors, along with Jane Austen, Barbara Kingsolver tops my list. Picking just one favorite quote from her - almost impossible, but I like this one because of all the possibilities it contains.
"I prefer to remain anomalous." ~ Barbara Kingsolver
Kingsolver's (born in 1955) novels, essays, and poetry focus on social justice, biodiversity and the interaction between humans. their communities and environments. I first stumbled across her work when I worked in Cincinnati and would sometimes spend my lunch hour hovering in the library, and came across a book in the new release section titled "Pigs in Heaven" - her second novel, and fell in love with the story. "Pigs in Heaven" (1993) and every book she's written since has been on the the New York Times Best Seller List, and have won numerous literary awards.
I was feeling very Erma Bombeck yesterday afternoon. Remember Erma? Erma wrote humorously about trials and tribulations of the average housewife - the stay-at-home wife and mother. I loved her newspaper columns and read some of her books, even finding them hilarious when I was a teenager, long before I entered wifedom and motherhood.
Yesterday's Bombeck-inspired mood came at the grocery store. I go to the store once a week, 95 percent of the time on the same day, and 98 percent at the same time on that same day. Every single week there is a running grocery list on which my family is supposed to write down the things they need/want at the store that are not what I typically get every single week. Every Monday morning, I remind them I am going to the store, and that there is a running list, and that they need to add to that list or they will have to wait until the following week. I personally don't care if they're out of pickles or shampoo or if they want bananas instead of mangoes; if it's not on the list, I am not a mind-reader, and therefore, I will not buy it...and I won't make a second trip to the store because they expected me to pull thoughts from their heads instead of them taking 2 seconds to write on a list. And everything week while I'm at the store, just like yesterday, my phone blows up with text messages detailing what they need but didn't take the time to put on the list (Hubs lists everything in a single text, at least. BP sends multiple texts with one item each). It bugs the crap out of me - especially when I have to back-track my way through the store to get whatever it is they've just texted me that they need.
Erma once said of grocery shopping, "The odds of going to the store for a loaf of bread and coming out with only a loaf of bread are three billion to one", which is me - with all the additions being texted to me, I never leave the store with just what was on my list.
One day, I swear, I'm going to ignore all those texts, and head straight to the bakery section of the store...just in case an iceberg hits before I get home.
"Seize the moment. Remember all those women on the 'Titanic' who waved off the dessert cart." ~ Erma Bombeck
Many people, because she wrote about being a housewife, don't think of Bombeck as a feminist or know that she was a huge supporter of the Equal Rights Amendment, and went on a two year speaking tour in support of passage of the amendment. For this, she received some back-lash on all sides - though it endeared her to some fans and influenced them, others felt alienated her work took a turn toward a political nature, causing some conservative newspapers to stop running her column, and some bookstore owners to remove her books. Some feminists too, criticized her as a stay-at-home mom when they were fighting for their place in the workforce, failing to recognize Erma did both - she a devoted mom and wife, but was also the sole breadwinner in the family.
I've been around women who introduced my sister as 'just a housewife,' in a condescending tone. It drives me crazy. And that is why I don't call myself a 'feminist,' even though I'm all for the right of a woman to work outside of the home, and to get equal pay for equal work. But there are just too many women who call themselves a feminist who look down on women who want to be 'just' a housewife. I'm for choice. I think I'll call myself a Choicenest.
I think there may be a generational difference when it comes to how people sometimes think of the meaning of the word "feminist". The things feminists in Bombeck's era - the 60s and 70s - were fighting against and for weren't just the sexist notion that 'a women's place is in the home', and if they did work outside the home they deserved equal pay. It's a broad scope, but they were also fighting for the right to own property, the right to have a credit card and a mortgage (until then, women needed a male cosigner), educational equality, the right to use birth control, and that martial rape was a crime.
The belief that women’s purposes were domestic and/or decorative, was an ingrained social standard in the 50s, and the feminists of the 60s and 70s who pushed against it were considered radical by those opposed to it by both males and females, (just as any new idea is considered radical, because it's different from "the way it's always been"). Thus a stereotype of a 70s feminist was born - a bitter, male-hating, unfeminine woman, who no "real" man would ever want. It's a stereotype that still exists, and is why some women don't define themselves as feminists, or shy away from the term.
Others, like the women who say your sister is "just" a housewife are missing the point of feminism - that women have the right, just like men do, to choose what they want to do.
And with that, I'm breaking with the quotes from women authors for this month, to post this quote from a woman who isn't an author -
"Women are leaders everywhere you look—from the CEO who runs a Fortune 500 company to the housewife who raises her children and heads her household. Our country was built by strong women, and we will continue to break down walls and defy stereotypes." ~ Nancy Pelosi
From 1919 to 1929, a group of New York City writers, critics, actors, and wits, met daily for lunch at the Algonquin Hotel. They called themselves “The Vicious Circle”, but became known to the rest of the country, infamously, as “The Algonquin Round Table”. Many of them columnists, the wisecracks, wordplay, and witticism of their daily lunch conversations found their way into newspapers distributed across the country.
One of the Algonquin Round Table's founding members that I find particularly interesting is Dorothy Parker. Parker was a screenwriter, short story author, poet, critic and journalist for Vogue, Vanity Fair, and the New Yorker. She was known for her biting wit, satire, and especially her pithy one-liners (many of them quite raunchy, even by today's standards).
I can recite a few of Dorothy’s one-liners. One of my favorites is "You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think", memorable to me because of my chosen profession, of course. (The profession that pertains to plants – just in case you had pause for a moment, trying to remember which profession in Parker’s quote is the one in which I make my living!). Another quote of hers that I use quite often was one she used as a greeting instead of "hello": "What fresh hell is this?"
Here's a quote from Parker though, that is more inspirational than satirical, and a good one to remember:
“It always seems impossible until it is done.” ~ Dorothy Parker (1893 – 1967)
An interesting thing about Parker that many don't know - when she died, having no heirs, she left her literary estate to Martin Luther King Jr.. During the 1930s and 1940s, Parker became an increasingly vocal advocate of civil rights and a host of other human rights issues in the U.S. and internationally. She was blacklisted as a Communist in the McCarthy era, ending her screenwriting career, but she continued to speak out in support of civil rights. She didn't know Martin Luther King Jr - and had never even met him - but she admired him.
He was assassinated shortly thereafter, and her estate was transferred to the NAACP (which still receives royalties from her publications).
The problem however, was that she named fellow author Lillian Hellman as executor of her will, and estate. Hellman, thinking she deserved a cut herself, contested the will - which caused Parker's cremated remains to hang around in limbo for years (since no one claimed them, they remained at the cemetery crematorium for 6 years, and then were stored in her lawyer's filing cabinet, forgotten about, for another 15 years). It wasn't until 1988, more than 20 years after Parker's death, that someone figured out her ashes were never claimed. The NAACP stepped in, and interred her ashes at their headquarters in Baltimore, in a Dorothy Parker Memorial Garden.
Lillian Hellman, btw, lost the lawsuit, was labeled a racist, and never received a penny of Parker's estate.
I'm glad Hellman lost. I saw a movie about Parker, which who knows what is true and isn't in these types of movies, and I felt sorry for her. Even as strong a woman as she was, men still controlled the world and women just had to do the best they could do to survive. We've come a long way, but there is still a struggle.
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Oooo, I think I would like to see that. Do you remember the name of it?
I'm glad Hellman lost....Even as strong a woman as she was, men still controlled the world and women just had to do the best they could do to survive. We've come a long way, but there is still a struggle.
Maybe I was being a little unfair to Hellman, kind of vilifying her? After-all, I did get the information about her lawsuit against Dorothy Parker's will from a website devoted to Parker, perhaps biased, and I know nothing about Hellman except that she wrote "Little Foxes" (which Parker contributed dialogue and some additional scenes) and "The Children's Hour".
Parker and Hellman were friends throughout their adult years; it was considered by many to be an unlikely friendship because the two were so different in personalities. Both of them though, came into their own during the 20s - a time when women had just been freed from the constraints of the Victorian era, and had earned the legal the right to vote. Both of them were strong women, but as you said, men still controlled most everything - and labeled both Parker and Hellman "difficult" because of their strength.
Critics said of Hellman that she was too "butch", that her nose was too big, that her skin was too wrinkled and old-looking, and she was too homely. She was a playwright for god's sake, why should any of those things matter to a critic reviewing her plays? Although considered pioneering and called "the greatest woman playwright", William F. Buckley once mocked her saying the title was "the same as talking about 'the downhill champion on the one-legged ski team.' " - a basic dismissal, just because she was a woman.
"No one can argue any longer about the rights of women. It's like arguing about earthquakes." ~ Lillian Hellman (1905-1984)
It would have been nice for Hellman, if those rights included being judged on merit not appearance. We may have come a long way, but like you said, Joxie, "there is still a struggle". .
I'm glad Hellman lost....Even as strong a woman as [she] was, men still controlled the world and women just had to do the best they could do to survive. We've come a long way, but there is still a struggle.
'She' is referring to Parker, not to Hellman. ---- And someone needs a legit reason to be able to break a will. If Parker wanted Hellman to have anything, she would have left it to her.