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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 7, 2016 21:00:36 GMT -6
I came across these channels, and I can't stop watching.
Anyone else get lost in YouTube land?
I'm also trying to figure out how I can make money on YouTube.
Anyone got any ideas?
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Post by stepper on Oct 8, 2016 20:13:54 GMT -6
I can get lost in youtube videos, but I don't subscribe to any particular channel. I just go looking for what ever sounds interesting at the moment. There are some people who are quite successful with their channels - Jenna Marbles for instance. She doesn't restrict herself to youtube - I think for her it's more of a source of additional followers - but she's very well known. Ideas? Finding something with broad interest - and something that can be repeatedly updated in a way that holds someone else’s interest is clearly a challenge. Nostalgia might work - everyone goes for oldies but goodies sooner or later. Problem is, that's not the same thing to different generations. Humor seems to work well, as does expressing strongly held opinions so long as you can back them up in some way. But over all, no, I haven't got a good idea about how you could succeed with a channel of your own. I guess the thing to do is find something you like, then base your channel on that.
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 8, 2016 23:28:43 GMT -6
Yeah. It is hard to come up with an idea that hasn't already been done. An idea occurred to me though. I should get one of those hats with built-in sunglasses, so you wouldn't see my face. I'd be Hubert Newsome's next door neighbor who posted/shared Hubert's "Word/s of the day, week, month, year, whenever" to hide both my and his identities from our community. 
bchelsierraremly.runboard.com/f24
Oh. Look who I just found on YouTube: chackattack81. She posted her winning video:
www.acidplanet.com/artist.asp?PID=484282&t=4206
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Post by stepper on Oct 9, 2016 12:13:32 GMT -6
I hope it works out to be a winning proposition for you Joxcee.
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 10, 2016 1:28:50 GMT -6
Me too. First I got to get the equipment, and learn how to film and edit and whatever else that it takes to do this.
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Post by stepper on Oct 10, 2016 14:05:23 GMT -6
LOL! That's a pretty substantial "first".
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 10, 2016 18:17:47 GMT -6
Yes it is.  So it won't be anything I put out there anytime soon.
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Post by stepper on Oct 10, 2016 19:53:18 GMT -6
Sorry - it sounds like a good idea. I know something that would be a success. Find the sexiest parts of movies that you can show on youtube can add commentary about how the scene compares to other scenes. Sex will sell anything.
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 10, 2016 20:41:18 GMT -6
 I'm sure it would.
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Post by stepper on Oct 11, 2016 19:11:41 GMT -6
That's why they have girls in bikini's selling tires, motorcycles, aftershave, and have stripper music playing while a guy gets a shave with the pretty girl next to him saying "Take if off, take it all off."
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 11, 2016 20:14:02 GMT -6
Have you seen the videos of men doing the same actions as women in those sexy ads? Too funny. It seems some things only a woman can pull off ... get away with. 
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Post by stepper on Oct 11, 2016 21:03:38 GMT -6
I saw one of them and remember it being funny, but it was a while ago and now I don't recall what the commercial was about.
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 11, 2016 22:24:24 GMT -6
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Post by Phalon on Oct 13, 2016 9:29:38 GMT -6
Sorry to interrupt, but this is not okay. Objectifying a woman - depicting her as a material accessory in order to sell merchandise is not okay. Saying a woman can "get away with it" sends a message to both men and women that being objectified to a sum of our body parts is a good thing, something even to strive for - and that's not okay. It's sad that society accepts this as the norm - that's it's shrugged off as just another way to sell products to men. Sex sells for sure, but ultimately what's being sold? That predatory comments about women are just 'locker-room talk'? That raping a woman behind a dumpster is something to be blamed on the culture and not on the person who committed the crime? Or that the same rapist who did not take responsibility for his own actions gets a six month sentence, and only serves three months of it because (other than considering an unconscious woman to be an object to be taken advantage of in the worst way) he is an 'upstanding young man with a promising future'. "Dear, Brock Turner" is one young college woman's response to Turner's light sentence, and his recent release from prison - it's one of two photo essays she did; the other is titled "It Happens", and depicts both men and women being objectified. Both photo essays went viral. When women are considered nothing but objects, this is the kind of message that is being sent: www.yanamazurkevich.com/brockturner/ It Happens. www.yanamazurkevich.com/ithappens/Maybe this is the type of stuff that ought to be getting more attention on YouTube. |
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 13, 2016 17:18:37 GMT -6
Yeppers. Note the  I added at the end of that sentence. If men look ridiculous doing the same actions/poses as those women, then what does that not say about women being used in such a manner? To me, it says that our society hasn't been "conditioned" to see men in such a way as to make it okay for them behave in this way. It takes seeing men in those same situations/poses to show just how ridiculous it really and truly is. Women only get away with it because society has deemed it sexy, and so somewhere along the way it lost its absurdness.
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Post by stepper on Oct 13, 2016 20:07:04 GMT -6
The Cambridge dictionary puts it this way - objectification is treating people like tools or toys, as if they had no feelings, opinions, or rights of their own. This is a form of abuse as far as I'm concerned, but that's not what I was discussing, nor what, in my reference, was observed. The point was that, the advertising media for instance, makes use and maybe abuse of human nature by attempting to appeal to natural instincts one of which is of course, sex.
Maslow's Hierarchy of needs puts sex in the bottom (5th) rung along with food, water, warmth, and rest. The first four rungs (5-2) are 'deficiency needs' levels. The lower the rung, the more important.
Deficiency needs motivate people when they are unmet. Also, the need to fulfill these needs become stronger the longer the duration they are denied. For example, the longer you go without food the more hungry you will become. Using the psychology behind basic needs motivations, an object - such as a particular phone or a razor - is linked to one of the basic needs implying to your brain that it too is a need. I don't see the problem as objectification - I see it much more as the sexualization of nearly everything. We are becoming numb to it because we are so often exposed to it, so the advertising companies keep pushing the limits of decency to ensure the objects continue to sell. At one point in time the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake Super Bowl "accident" would have generated a much stronger adverse reaction than allowing them to simply say "Oh, we're sorry if the accident offended you." And then move on people, there's more important things than your stodgy old morals code. (Yeah for the liberal media which proved they could tell you what to think.) And I'm starting to wander (can you tell?) We allowed these things - we being the country - we said it was okay by participating. We bought their products - and we allowed ourselves to be dumbed down and numbed to the absurd as if it was acceptable so today, a majority of people say it is okay because it's just the way society is.
“We have met the enemy, and he is us.” - Pogo
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Post by Phalon on Oct 14, 2016 6:29:54 GMT -6
Actually, I didn't see it...and I still don't. Actually, I just noticed, I don't see any emoticons on this site. Or my banner either. And more importantly, THE IMP IS MISSING!
The only picture I see is your Avatar. Joxie! Find my Imp!
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 14, 2016 14:01:16 GMT -6
PhotoBucket is having problems with their site. My personal account and WhooshII accounts are still showing, but WhooshI isn't. The emoticon I used was the one with the shifting eyes. O^o
BTW: I thought you might like to read this writing article I received through email. It reminded me of you teaching the girls how to defend themselves.
hollylisle.com/shoes-and-handbags/
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 14, 2016 14:53:32 GMT -6
I just checked, and the site is back up. If you still aren't seeing the images you might ought to do a hard refresh or empty the cache? --->  <--- 
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Post by stepper on Oct 14, 2016 20:32:27 GMT -6
I noticed it last night, but thought it was just my browser acting up. Everything is showing up again - Joxcee has rescued the Imp from banishment!
I think self defense should be a part of phys ed in schools - starting early, and lasting several years. Start with Stranger Danger and add on to it from there.
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Post by Phalon on Oct 14, 2016 22:51:23 GMT -6
Advertisements (print and television), like your example of a sexy woman in a bathing suit in an ad for tires, fit Cambridge's definition for 'objectification'. The woman is a tool in the ad; she's a prop that doesn't have an opinion, and is only there for the purpose of attracting the viewer, most likely male.
Very true. But if advertisements were appealing to the human natural instinct of sex, than why are they not targeted for both sexes? Look at the successful ad campaign for Carl's Jr/Hardee's television commercials, for example; here's a compilation (of the ones that weren't banned):
Who is the target audience of these commercials? Women? Children? Obviously not. They are targeted for men, although women and children are just as large a consumer base as males for fast food. What's the subject of the commercial? It's the sandwich. The woman is an object used as a tool to sell the subject. Oxford Dictionary's definition of "objectification" is just a bit different than Cambridge's: "the action of degrading someone to a mere object". These commercials, and many others like them, degrade women.
It's not to say that sexy hard-bodied men aren't used in advertising, and even objectified in those ads. The difference is perhaps what they're selling: cologne, underwear, clothing. Having a male model in underwear for an ad selling underwear is a far cry from a women basically depicted having oral sex with a sandwich though.
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 15, 2016 0:35:37 GMT -6
I've never seen women eat their meal like depicted in that video. Not at home, and not out.
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Post by Phalon on Oct 15, 2016 4:42:33 GMT -6
I know, right. Can you imagine an advertisement portraying a man eating in a similar manner? Probably not, because such a commercial would never be made.
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Post by stepper on Oct 15, 2016 15:15:46 GMT -6
Both sexes? I know some ladies at work who love the Hardies commercials. Did you see the Kraft Zesty Guy commercials? Definitely meant for the ladies. And this is from an interview with an ad company.
“It’s funny to us to think of women being lustful.”
Adds Steve O’Connell, ECD and partner at Red Tettemer O’Connell + Partners: “Objectifying men doesn’t really upset anybody. You really can’t offend the white male.” O’Connell’s agency helped pioneer the manvertising trend with print ads for Renuzit featuring small product shots alongside a parade of beefcake. (“Now that is gorgeous. And the man is not so bad either,” reads the copy in one ad.) O’Connell says, “It’s tongue-in-cheek and calls itself out. The hot guy clearly had no business being there. Because it’s guys, you get the extra safety net of it not being too offensive.”
Renuzit refreshed the campaign last month with a whole new batch of dudes.
There are more of course, but in this case, they are objectifying men because they see humor in it. Evidently it worked and no one was offended because they're doing it again.
I have & more than once. One was intentionally flirting with her boyfriend - one was just showing off for no one in particular - but at a couple of them, while not quite as explicitly exaggerated as the commercials, didn't realize what it looked like or didn't care.
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 15, 2016 17:02:09 GMT -6
I've seen videos on YouTube. Don't think I've seen any on TV though.
It could be because I just don't watch people too closely when out and about. It's kind of like road rage, you never know who's going to come unglued at being gazed at.
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Men are starting to get a taste of what a lot of women are going through. Sad that that is occurring. Some women seem to think that all men are alike in the regards of the objectification of women and feel turn about is fair play. Male actors are commenting on being touched in private places. Women shoving their hands inside their clothes for skin-to-skin contact. I find this appalling no matter what gender either one is.
Outlander actors in their kilts have had women drop down to see what they could see beneath their kilts. I fear that the actions of these few women will have male peepers feeling vindicated in their actions. I don't see 'equality' as meaning women can act depraved and selfish in taking what they want despite the rights of the other.
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Post by stepper on Oct 15, 2016 21:27:04 GMT -6
I keep having to remind myself that getting angry at idiots isn't worth it. I don't pay attention to who's staring at whom, but that jerk who, after I've been in line for several minutes, is too important to do the same and does something illegal or even worse cuts me off so they can get someplace (like on base in the morning) ahead of me - that person needs to avoid me for several minutes.
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 15, 2016 23:51:06 GMT -6
My sister has had people in a big hurry make crazy moves in order to get ahead of her. We tend to take it in stride, thinking perhaps their slowing us down or making us come to a quick stop might prevent us from being in the middle of an accident somewhere down the road. So, we think of it as a blessing in disguise. There's never a good reason to risk your life, or the lives of others, in order to be on time. 
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Post by stepper on Oct 16, 2016 11:26:28 GMT -6
I do much the same thing once I get my adrenaline level down a notch - I remind myself I am where God intends me to be and that since I'm not him, I should shut up.
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Post by Mini Mia on Oct 16, 2016 19:55:06 GMT -6
Yeah. It is hard not to react/overreact when it jolts you out of the blue.
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Post by Phalon on Oct 16, 2016 21:04:04 GMT -6
I'd venture to say they're in the minority based on conversations with women I know, and 10 pages of sites that come up in a drill 'Carl's Junior/Hardee's commercials objectify women'. How about this interesting title of one of the sites - "Raising Daughters in a World Full of Hardee's Commercials"? There probably should be a "Raising Sons in a World Full of Hardee's Commercials" too, but guess what? There wasn't.
BOLL!!! Seriously? It's okay - no, not just okay, but normal for men to be lustful, but if a women feels the same, it's comical? The idea reeks of sexism.
Don't know what kind of establishments you frequent, Step, but you might want to consider upgrading.
Did you notice in that second photo essay titled "It Happens" in one of the shots a male is a victim of a woman aggressor? It happens across the board, because we let it happen - by "we" I mean, society as a whole (and not just in this country). While we'd certainly never condone acts of abuse, we don't do a stellar job of treating one another with respect. Objectification of the sexes does nothing to help the situation, but in one form or another, we all do it, not always maliciously, and not always consciously. Not singling out Stepper, but even he did it with his contention that these types of commercials weren't objectification. In one way or another, every one of us is guilty of it, and there doesn't seem to be a solution. Not an easy one anyway.
I did notice though, while skimming the titles of the 'Carl's Jr Objectification of Women' drill that during the Superbowl this past year, those types of commercials were mostly replaced by those depicting strong women. Progress.
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