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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jan 23, 2005 1:36:54 GMT -6
Ah..but see, it's not my thread...so go for it.......
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Post by Phalon on Jan 23, 2005 1:41:59 GMT -6
I never knew there was ownership of these things. Damn, does that mean if someone posts in a thread I've started that I should be getting rent? Does that make me a slum lord?
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jan 23, 2005 1:46:23 GMT -6
I can picture you as a slum lord. How much to rent space on this thread?
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Post by Phalon on Jan 23, 2005 1:49:03 GMT -6
Actually, it's Gabbin's slum. Ask her. I'm just the night janitor.
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jan 23, 2005 1:52:51 GMT -6
Well then...maybe I can just borrow it while she's not looking....
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Post by Phalon on Jan 23, 2005 1:56:22 GMT -6
Sure, and I'll just mop up after you. Just don't leave any hard to get off scuff marks on the floor.
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Jan 23, 2005 1:57:12 GMT -6
Hmmm...I'll leave my badass biker boots by the door shall I?
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Post by Gabbin on Jan 23, 2005 21:29:10 GMT -6
Alright! These boots fit me!
I have to agree with Gasm (nice new typo name, that) in that I am just a squater, but go for it, we aren't a particular bunch. I am, however, very serious in my investigations, so just stick to the fact, if there are any. BOLL
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Post by Gabbin on Mar 6, 2005 0:05:39 GMT -6
Gadzookies! This post was buried even deeper than Martha.
I just read about the origin of our birthday celebrations. Let me get my book. Firstly, I was surprised that the Happy Birthday song was composed as Good Morning to you in Knetucky for students. The song has only been popular since 1935.
Okay, when we blow out birthday cake candles. When we do this we are following a custom created by the ancient Greeks. On the sixth day of each month, the B-day of Artemis, the ancient Greeks made a honey cake topped with burning candles in her honor. As each candle was extinguished, the people prayed to the goddess for a present.
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Post by Phalon on Mar 6, 2005 12:46:52 GMT -6
Oh Gabbin! Glad you dug this up from the depths - was artemissing it, and nice of you to find.
We've discussed the artemyth of Miss Artemis way back in the early days, but artemissed the point about the birthday candles artemyth. Artefollowing so far? I wonder what the ancients wythed for while blowing out their candles, and if their wyths came true. Wything for their two front teeth so they could stop spitting on the cake, perhaps. Or maybe that is just a myth, and that song "All I want for mythmas is my two front teeth", is a spin-off of the "Happy Birthday" song too.
Artemis was the goddess of the moon and hunt, and the lit candles symbolized moonlight, and the goddess' radiance.
The birthdays of the Greek gods were celebrated, as Gabbin pointed out with Artemis, monthly. Compare this to the way the birthdays of mortals were celebrated. At one extreme; the birthdays of women, (and children), were considered too unimportant to celebrate...while the celebration of a man's birthday was an extravegant affair - nothing spared; lavish and extreme, and even celebratated years after his death.
This all ties in with some information I found while trying to find out how the blind were viewed in ancient Greece. Woman were considered weak, and therefore the deities representing the moon - paling in comparision to the sun, were all female - and females, along with being considered weak, were something to be feared. A contradiction, I think. The sun gods; shining brilliant, were male. Pfft.
Not always so - in the beginning, things were more equal - there were both male and female sun deities. Even Medusa was once a shining ray of light. Very interesting stuff, and I think I'll expound on this later.
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Mar 6, 2005 14:38:10 GMT -6
Man did I miss this Mything Persons thread. Really interesting stuff thanks ladies.
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Post by Freebird on Mar 11, 2005 1:33:49 GMT -6
Would I have been called a Mything person? Well i'm found now. (I think)
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Post by holly golightly on Mar 19, 2005 5:41:14 GMT -6
well, i don't know wether you already brought it up somewhere but as there was the talk of medusa. pegasus, the winged horse, arose from medusa's blood when perseus beheaded her. soon after his birth, pegasus struck hoof on earth on mount helicon and created the spring hippocrene which was then dedicated to the muses and was considered as the spring for poetically inspiration.
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Post by Phalon on Mar 23, 2005 0:42:07 GMT -6
Hi Holly. Thanks for the information about Medusa. I didn't know about the horse stomping springs inspiration bit. Reminded me though, that I had this whole moon/sun goddess/god thing still hanging about somewhere. More on Medusa later, but first I'll explain a bit about how the ancient Greeks viewed the male vs female power thing, and Medusa will tie into this at the end.....if I ever get to the end.
The sun was often depicted as female in ancient cultures, and so too was it once in Greek mythology. Hyperion was the original sun god, and Theia, his sister; the sun goddess.
But the Greeks had a way of casting out their gods as the views of man changed, and so followed the often confusing myriad of solar dieties in Greek mythology. Sunkissed them off. Threw them out of the game when they grew tired of them, and made them into Titans forced to sit on the bench, as the Olympians came out on the field. Every four years, I believe, until the deCatholicon – with its 10 Commandevents – became popular, and then even the Olympians left the field in defeat.
So Hyperion and Theia felt the noose titan around their all-powerful sun necks and hanging their heads, where forced into Titanhood, where they married and had three children: Helios (sun), Eos (dawn), and Selene (moon). It was about this time that the historical disempowerment of women began and the rise of a patriarchal society became the prominent idea.
Notice at this time that Helios, the sun god, is male. The dawn, Eos, and moon; Selene are female. Femininity came to mean dark and chaotic - dark things of the night; weak pale versions of man, just as the moon is a pale version of the sun. Female strength and power became evil....thus the myth of Medusa.
Still Medusa later - as first comes Apollo and green cheese....and I'll get to that...uhm, later.
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Post by holly golightly on Mar 23, 2005 5:59:48 GMT -6
you're welcome, you're welcome... actually i just wondered where it all came from...the mythology and i found something, so here it is. the greeks themselves wondered about the origins of their mythology and some of them tried to explain. the mythologic writer euhemeros described the origins of greek mythology in his book "the holy history", about 300 BC, that the myths were simply the falsification of history and the Gods were heros, who in the course of time, were deified posthumous. the philosopher prodicos of kos, who lived in the 5th century BC, taught that the Gods were personalized natural phenomenons like sun, moon, wind and water. the historian herodot, also lived in the 5th century BC, believed that lots of greek rituals were acquired from egypt. so, i also acquired information about egyptian mythology and it would be too much to write about it...i have to admit that they were really really busy to develop a spiritually world even bigger than the greeks did. but i found something interesting...phalon you said, that the greek sun God was called helios. and "heliopolis" was a city in egypt, which was the center of egyptian sun cult about the sun God "ra". the city was also called "per-ra", city of ra, and "heliopolis" is simply the greek translation - city of sun. this city was even mentioned in the bible, there it was called "on". and the history of the city of the sun hands back to about 2900 BC (!). heliopolis was indeed the center of egyptian cult about the sun God. in the 13th century BC there were about 13 000 priests and slaves serving in the temples of heliopolis. also most of the egyptian literature about religion was composed in heliopolis. but now, back to the greek mythology. i found something about argo, probably that was already mentioned somewhere, i don't know. the argo was the ship on which jason and the argonauts sailed from iolcus to retrieve the golden fleece. the argo had the gifts of speech and prophecy because it was made of oak wood from the oracle at dodona.
now i'm looking forward to the green cheese...
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Post by Phalon on Mar 24, 2005 1:28:53 GMT -6
Yes, Holly, we did briefly touch on Jason and his Argo nuts a while back. Whacked our way through the myth, and he got shafted. Got his rocks off...uhm...got off the rocks, I mean. Headliners of the concussion were that headbanging rock band, "The Wailing Sirens", and Jason and the boys couldn't hear the music because their ears were full of wax. Full moon out tonight in all its silvery white luminousness, and the perfect time to get on with the story of Apollo's former occupation as a moon god. But I'm tired, and maybe later. Goodnight Moon. storage.proboards.com/893671/images/ljxEFlZASExudmonnAMT.gif[/mgi]
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Post by Gabbin on Mar 24, 2005 22:58:08 GMT -6
Mooning, yeah. I like a good moon.
Let me go in search of.
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Mar 24, 2005 23:01:49 GMT -6
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Post by Phalon on Mar 25, 2005 9:18:48 GMT -6
Now isn't that just the end all? Quite the moonshine there, Scrappy. Moon-dancing cheeks, bassking under cover of Octobrrrrrr-it's cold to be bare-bottomed skies. Morrison, Van we needed to see, I think.
Put the thing outta its misery. Shoot the moon, and ouch, dang it, that would hurt. Bite the bullet and take it out, butt be careful not to kiss @ss while you're doing so.
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Post by Phalon on Mar 27, 2005 0:21:10 GMT -6
The order of sun gods and goddess thus far: first Hyperion and Theia, and then Helios, (there were some minor deities, like Medusa, but these are the biggies)
The next ray of light on the horizon was Apollo. Show time at the Apollo, and he stole the spotlight. Didn’t even apollogize for overshadowing the others. Took the reins from Helios and chariot-jacked the golden chariot that rode across the sky bringing daylight upon the land. I remember way back when we first discussed Apollo there was some confusion, (some confusion?…is there ever anything else here?), as to who drove the chariot. All the sun gods did, except poor Theia; she must have suffered the stigma of the stereotypical goddess driver, because she never drove it. Hyperion passed the family vehicle down to Helios, and then Helios rode with Apollo for awhile, until Apollo kicked him out.
God of Light; Apollo was thought to be the most beautiful and best loved of all the Greek gods. All previous sun gods and goddesses before him paled in the Greeks’ eyes. Forgotten, they faded like setting suns, and Apollo became the “All-Conquering Sun”. So now it was complete: no more Sun goddesses – all done away with, and the all-powerful ruling sun was male from this point forth in Greek mythology; and the weaker moon was female.
But just as once there were sun goddesses; there once were also moon gods. There is evidence that before he became associated with the sun, Apollo was originally a moon god. Homer states that he ‘descends like the night’. He once ruled over mice, thought to be creatures of the night and the moon, slowly nibbling on it and causing its phases, (which is where the myth that the moon is made of green cheese may have originated). So the God of Light made his humble beginnings by ruling over rodents and moldy cheese.
Next up – that ray of light with the dreadlocks: Medusa….as soon as me-du-so. And then, I swear, I’m done with this whole moon/sun thing.
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Post by Gabbin on Apr 1, 2005 0:43:26 GMT -6
I did not know there were previous dieties in the sunny chariot position. Grump, by the way, at the loss of goddess in religion. I am really upset about this.
Did the word helium come from Helios? I think I need to answer that. I am too tuckered out tonight, though.
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Post by Phalon on Apr 2, 2005 22:48:42 GMT -6
The Last of the Setting Sun Goddesses: Medusa
Some think that Medusa was a pre-Titan sun goddess; a disembodied head with the sun’s rays flaming outward, (which were later changed to writhing snakes as Medusa changed from Goddess to Gorgon). The sun can’t be looked at directly; only able to be seen in reflections and mirrors. So is true with Medusa; both in her early career, and later as a monstrous beast. Looking upon her as a sun goddess resulted in blindness, which often in primitive times was fatal, (this is how I stumbled on this whole sun god/goddess thing, Gabbin – trying to find how your Frieda’s blindness would have been viewed in ancient Greece). It was later, after she lost her goddess-hood, that the whole petrification thing came into play.
During the time when the Greeks were ridding the heavens of sun goddesses in favor of sun gods, (like what became of Theia), they made the old gods Titans: the parents and enemies of the new Olympian gods. Medusa, though, was too powerful with her fatal radiating beauty to just retire and let fade away. Medusa was reduced to a hideous Gorgan; one of three sister beasts, and the only mortal one. She could be killed. She had to be.
So in comes Athena – one of the newer goddesses; a goddess of teaching, logic and reason. In addition she was step-sister to the new All-Powerful Olympian sun god, Apollo. What more could the Greeks want? Athena was everything that the Greeks felt women were not. Logical; instead of emotional. Reasoning; instead of chaotic. And a virgin to boot! But….if Athena were to kill Medusa herself, she would have claimed power reserved for males. So she, of course, in accordance with the disempowerment of women of that era, had to get a man to do the job. She gives her weapons to Perseus, so he can claim the victory.
Perseus uses a shield as a mirror to see Medusa’s reflection, and cuts of her head. Her death is symbolic of the power she once held - a powerful disembodied head of the sun which could only be viewed in reflection. More insult – from Medusa’s blood springs forth Pegasus, a wondrous horse for the man that killed her. The feminine power of creation now serves man.
The destruction of the powerful female sun symbols were complete.
I think the whole degression of female power is interesting, if not a bit disagreeable, and was toying with the idea of discussing the moon goddesses and those associated with darkness next. There were many: Nye, Selene, Artemis and all her personifications, Eos and such. Too much, I wonder? I seem to have lost my ability to pun as well. If it was ever there.
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Post by Gabbin on Apr 4, 2005 23:07:03 GMT -6
Ha! I have something to do. I was just looking up a planet and found a Mything P connection. I shall now do the planets in Greek, not Roman. Tee hee.
From the sun....The first planet is...drum roll....
Apollo: Messenger God in the a.m. and Hermes at nght. Named because the planet moves so fast. (Mercury)
Goddess of Love comes sidles up to Gaia. Yes, Venus is our sister planet. Why Venus? Cuz she is hot cha cha. The hottest planet. Probably named because, after the sun and moon, she is the brightest planet; a beauty.
#3 is Gaia. Us. aka Tellus in Roman. Go Tellus on the mountain...
#4 War God is red hot. The angry planet. Grrrr. Actually has some blue in it and at one time may have been like our earth. Temps are about the same. (Mars)
#5 Zues! That is a big planet. The biggest and fastest spinner. (Jupiter).
#6 Why do I feel like a late night talk host here? #5 is ummm. let me check on this one. The old Crony. In Roman mythology, Saturn is the god of agriculture. The associated Greek god, Cronus, was the son of Uranus and Gaia and the father of Zeus (Jupiter). Saturn is the root of the English word "Saturday". Galileo discovered this star in 1610. What a guy.
#7 Deity of the heavens is the third largest. Uranus. Not pronounced You're anus or urine us. Uranus is the ancient Greek deity of the Heavens, the earliest supreme god. Uranus was the son and mate of Gaia the father of Cronus (Saturn) and of the Cyclopes and Titans (predecessors of the Olympian gods).
#8 The oceanic blue planet. A very smooth planet. It actually has 4 rings. (Neptune). Galileo thought this a star.
#9 A small body; in the dark most of the time and is named after Hades for this reason. Its satellite is named Charon.
I believe it is Jupiter, could be Saturn which has Callisto as a satellite.
Oh, I could do planet satellites....but there are so many. Hmmm.
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Post by Gabbin on Apr 4, 2005 23:21:40 GMT -6
SAtellites for Saturn.
Cordelia 50 13 ? Voyager 2 1986 Ophelia 54 16 ? Voyager 2 1986 Bianca 59 22 ? Voyager 2 1986 Cressida 62 33 ? Voyager 2 1986 Desdemona 63 29 ? Voyager 2 1986 Juliet 64 42 ? Voyager 2 1986 Portia 66 55 ? Voyager 2 1986 Rosalind 70 27 ? Voyager 2 1986 2003U2 75 6 ? Showalter 2003 Belinda 75 34 ? Voyager 2 1986 1986U10 76 40 ? Voyager 2 1986 Puck 86 77 ? Voyager 2 1985 2003U1 98 8 ? Showalter 2003 Miranda 130 236 6.30e19 Kuiper 1948 Ariel 191 579 1.27e21 Lassell 1851 Umbriel 266 585 1.27e21 Lassell 1851 Titania 436 789 3.49e21 Herschel 1787 Oberon 583 761 3.03e21 Herschel 1787 2001U3 4281 6 ? Sheppard 2003 Caliban 7169 40 ? Gladman 1997 Stephano 7948 15 ? Gladman 1999 Trinculo 8578 5 Sycorax 12213 80 ? Nicholson 1997 2003U3 14689 6 ? Sheppard 2003 Prospero 16568 20 ? Holman 1999 Setebos 17681 20 ? Kavelaars 1999 2002U2 21000 6 Sheppard 2003
All I can say is Shepard should not be allowed to name satellites.
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Post by Gabbin on Apr 4, 2005 23:24:34 GMT -6
Jupiter Metis, Adrastea, Amalthea and Thebe Io Europa Ganymede Callisto Leda, Himalia, Lysithea, Elara, Ananke, Carme, Pasiphae and Sinope
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Post by Phalon on Apr 5, 2005 22:29:11 GMT -6
Are you taking on the whole galaxy next, Gabbin. Speaking of galaxy, I wonder where that gal, Xie, has been keeping herself.
Quite the list maker lately there, Gabs. Did you planet that way, or is it a new found interest. Kind of listless myself.
Oh, I did see that list I did about half-way through this thread containing the names of the mythological characters we had discussed up to that point. Found it while doing the two minute drill on Apollo. BOLL. Imagine that: doing a two minute drill and using the imformation we'd gathered. Ok, that makes for a real accurate post, doesn't it?
Maybe I'll update the list next.
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Post by Gabbin on Apr 5, 2005 22:36:50 GMT -6
I know. I don't know why I am listing to one side here. Just bopping around.
I guess it is because I now have a complex about being a fetishless person with minor supersticions and who is out of the music loop. Drat.
How is everyone doing of late?
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Post by Phalon on Apr 5, 2005 22:39:20 GMT -6
Ah, but you've that dazzling smile with the wagging tongue. What more could you want?
Can't speak for anyone else, (mainly because I never could do that ventriloquist thing), but I'm doing much better. Cold is gone, and I feel pretty damn good, actually.
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Post by Phalon on Aug 19, 2005 22:42:49 GMT -6
Dang, I had to dig to find this one.
Thinking about boats, (actually Hubs is), and darn it if I ever got to paint a name on the inflatable dinghy. New one though - hard boat; not inflatable - though the same motor from the dinghy which I have a tendency to destroy - evidently not beyond repair. The new boat, (used), and I get to pick the name says Hubs.
I haven't decided yet; Gabbin had one I liked, but I forgot and I'm sure she did too, but all this thinking about boats and such got me thinking that I should do Poseidon as a mything p - I'm sure we've never covered him here.
Maybe soon - so out of practice, the two minute drill will most likely take a week.
And darn it - I can't even construct a complete sentence. Oh, this is going to be bad.
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Post by Scrappy Amazon on Aug 19, 2005 23:29:09 GMT -6
Waiting with "baited" breath!
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