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Post by TED on Mar 24, 2005 18:40:08 GMT -6
People in the entertainment media are calling it bizarre because George Lucas seems to be expecting criticism of Revenge Of The Sith, and that he's said that he really doesn't care if fans like the film. That's nonsense, the first two episodes were heavily criticized, so it's only natural for him to expect criticism for the last one, and the notion that it's bizarre that he's not concerned with whether people like his movie or not, is asinine. One of the biggest problems with the entertainment industry, is that there are too many people involved in it that don't actually understand art. Art is about self expression, it's that simple, real artists don't concern themselves with what everyone else is going to think of their work.
George said that it's not his job to make people like his movies, and that's absolutely right, it's not, that's what publicists are for. It's their job to sell the finished work and try to make sure people like it enough to fill the seats in the theaters, and the fact is, they're overated. Bottom line is, no amount of salesmanship is going to make a difference in the long run, either the art stands on it's own merit, or it doesn't, and that's something that only time will tell. In the meantime, regardless of whether it's good or bad, or whether it's packaged well or not, people are either going to like it or they're not, and that's simply out of our any of hands, so why bother with it?
It's pretty apparent that George is a real artist, he had this artistic vision long ago, and it looks like he stayed true to it, regardless of public opinion on the matter. Apparently, for the most part, people are not going to be getting what they're expecting from the last episode. As I understand it, most fans would like to see an action packed last installment of the series, showing Darth Vader at his all time worst, and the battle between the two sides of the force coming into it's "heyday" with a final, visual extravaganza. But apparently, the movie is going to deal more with telling the personal story of how young Anakin was finally seduced to the dark side, in a way that will connect all of the films together in a very suprising and emotional way.
So I guess there will probably be a lot of people unhappy with this one too, in fact, with the sci-fi crowd, it'll probably be downright controversial, but that's fine, George said that he's very happy with how it turned out, and that's all that matters. Besides, George has every right to feel satisfied, after all, he's already proven his worth as an artist, regardless of whether the last two episodes were popular or not, and regardless of whether this one will be or not, time has already told that this series as a whole is one of the greatest cinematic works of art ever made. At any rate, in May, for better or for worse, (and I'm sure I'll be leaning toward the former) we'll be able to see how this series that some of us older fans have been watching for half a lifetime now, comes to an end, so keep an eye out for it, it's something you probably don't want to miss.
TED
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Post by rsine69 on Mar 24, 2005 21:39:24 GMT -6
QUOTE..."Art is about self expression, it's that simple, real artists don't concern themselves with what everyone else is going to think of their work." Excellent point. I can understand his need to go over and add to the original films (personally I like the new material). A true artist is never satisfied with their work and so is motivated to try and create something better. That's how I am with my drawings. I'm never satisfied with them so it's not uncommon of me to go back and either touch them up or redo them completely. Because of this, I can understand his desire to improve his work. If you create a piece of art and are completely 100 percent satisfied and that you can't create anything that's better, that's pretty much death for any artistic creativity. As for what the fans want, If you've read some of my posts here and elswere, you'll know that I have a very low tolerence for fandom. Don't get me wrong, there are some decent people out there but unfortunately there are too many nutters which is one of the reason I've dropped out from the scifi con scene. And as for all this pissing and moaning I here from so many in fandom over why the original unaltered SW trilogy isen't out on video and DVD along with the special edition, the last time they (the unaltered original versions) were released on video, they were advertised as the last time the original versions would be available. Maybe no one was paying attention. And if someone dosen't like a filmaker's artistic vision in his or her work, that's fine. But if they're just gonna sit and b***h and complain about it then why don't they get up off their a**, go to film school, learn the buisness and creat something better. They just might apperciate the hard work he went through in creating such a beautiful piece of story telling. I recommend that fans watch the two hour documentry Empire of Dreams. It's unbelievable all the hard work he went through just trying to get that first film out.
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Post by Lesa on Mar 24, 2005 22:26:30 GMT -6
I don't know what else to add except that I agree with both of you.  |
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Post by Mij on Mar 25, 2005 5:07:59 GMT -6
Lucas is more than smart enough to realise that the Star Wars brand sells, much more so than his own name. So he can put out any rubbish, give it the SW tag & it will be swallowed whole by the public at the box office. I'm guessing the movie will be much like Eps I & II, poorly scripted, poorly cast, poorly acted but loaded with fun special effects & lots of background material that adds to the SW universe. If Lucas is really going to try & explore characters like the young Anakin's turn to the dark side, it really will be horrible though. Lucas was heavily assisted in the writing of Eps IV & V, where as for the others he has done the writing entirely by himself (& it really shows, as stories, I, II & VI are truly woeful) Like every other clown out there though, I'll go see it  |
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Post by rsine69 on Mar 25, 2005 5:16:42 GMT -6
QUOTE..."the movie is going to deal more with telling the personal story of how young Anakin was finally seduced to the dark side, in a way that will connect all of the films together in a very suprising and emotional way." And that's the reason I want to see it. It's a facinating story much like a Greek tragedy.
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Post by MrEMahon on Mar 25, 2005 18:26:45 GMT -6
Yeah Rick, I like all the new material too, and I like all the ep's I've seen so far, and I too, am looking forward to the finale, especially since what the author of this thread, heh, said, isn't a matter of supposition, it's a matter of fact, (just for everyone's edification) it's supposed to go in a different direction. So I'll probably like it better than the last two, I didn't like the latest ep's as much as the original trilogy, but they were good on their own merit. What do people expect? I mean, the original trilogy was great, it would be hard to top it, or even match it, and that's the problem with fandom for the most part, they're always comparing everything else an artist ever does, to his or her greatest work. It's very rare that a sequel is as good as it's predecessor, that's just reality, and there's a good reason for it.
Good artists have times in their career when they create great work, and the trilogy, for instance, was George's time to shine, and the rest of the time they simply create good work. You can't expect any artist to continually crank out one masterpiece after another. But when they don't, people try to find reasons to say that they're not as great as they're cracked up to be, instead of just giving them credit for doing good work. They'll say that because the artist worked with a different staff on the original project, than that must be the reason it was better, trying to take all the credit away from the artist themself, for the project being the great work that it was, regardless of the fact that the artist themself, was the one who's artistic vision created the project in the first place, not to mention that they were the one who made all the final decisions in the creative process.
Or they'll take cheap shots at the artist, calling them a sellout, claiming that they're just trying to make a buck by throwing together halfassed sequels to the original project, because they know they'll sell, even after the artist has made public statements that they're not concerned with whether people like their work or not, hence, they're not concerned with ticket sales. I don't see how someone can just dismiss that and acuse the artists of being a sellout, when they have no basis for doing so. It's not like they know the artist personally or anything.
And yeah, I agree,
"if they're just gonna sit and b***h and complain about it then why don't they get up off their a**, go to film school, learn the buisness and creat something better. They just might apperciate the hard work he went through in creating such a beautiful piece of story telling."
Heh, by the way, I haven't seen Empire of dreams, so thanks for bringing it up, I'll have to check it out.
~Mr E.
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Post by Lesa on Mar 25, 2005 19:53:24 GMT -6
Well, at least we know they won't chop off the hero's head in some place we've never heard of.  |
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Post by RENECUS7 on Apr 7, 2005 1:59:48 GMT -6
Well, I'm so looking forward to see Episode III...!
So then...I guess ..I'm The Lord of the Clowns..! ;D
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Post by Lesa on Apr 7, 2005 3:36:49 GMT -6
Lord of the Clowns  I'm looking forward to it, too!  |
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Post by RENECUS7 on Apr 7, 2005 7:10:33 GMT -6
Well, so far look like an very dark movie and the Novelization it's getting very positive reviews...also the early DVD's are doing great again...! |
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Post by RENECUS7 on Apr 7, 2005 7:37:41 GMT -6
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