Pentagon 9/11 conspiracy?

[irenetheserene]

Pentagon Conspiracy?




Irene

[dixielandyankee]

That's pretty interesting Irene, I've always thought that there was more to the whole 9/11 scenario than the world knows about. But then again I think that's true of so many disasterous events such as the death of JFK and the death of Princess Diana. Its frightening to think that there are small groups of people in this world who have the power to cover up almost any indiscretion. I sometimes wonder how many things are going on that the world doesn't know about.

For instance, I've always believed that sightings of so-called 'alien' aircraft are in fact the military testing new kinds of planes, and I also think that advances in medical science and technology such as human cloning have undoubtedly already been accomplished.

[irenetheserene]

Hi dixielandyankee!

YUP, I think there are many cover ups. Even the voting for the Presidential Elections .... Bet we never would have thought that prior to 2000.


I believe the US is making hover craft that looks like the accounts of alien spaceships. I'm sure there are such advances in science and understanding of physics that makes things possible that we think are still fantasy.

Here's an interesting read if this strikes your interest:

www.viewzone.com/tells-all53.html


Irene

[Lesa]

The flash wouldn't load for me anytime this year, so I did a Google on "Pentagon 9/11 conspiracy" and came up with this:

www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

If that's what this is about, then no, a truck didn't hit the Pentagon, and it really was a hijacked plane.  However, there are plenty of eyewitness (and earwitness) accounts and other testimony that suggest that flight 93, the one that landed on the edge of a field and missed its target, was shot down, possibly by Cheney's order.


Here's an interesting site I found:
www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=coverup

Just reading August 1998, October 8 1998, 1999, and Feb 1999, will give you an idea of how badly the terrorist threat was handled prior to 9/11.  I only skimmed through the first 1/3 of the page, so I'm sure there's a lot more.  And I thought the "I" in "CIA" was for "Intelligence."

That heating the ionosphere with radio waves story sounds like something out of a really bad sci-fi movie.

/me Oh turds and whey. sorry le!

[irenetheserene]

This one is about a missle, Le. They want to know why a tunnel look to the damage and where is all the wreckage? There's no wreakage.


Irene

[Freebird]

I couldn't get any of the sites that Le or Irene had sent.
But I did read something about during the Inauguration
that both candidates are a target for terrorism . I didn't get to finish the article yet. It's in a local magazine called " Snitch". It was on the front page of the Oct.13 issue. I don't know what the web site has on it, but it might have the article in it . I have never
been to the site. The site is www.SNITCH.com
These days it's hard to feel safe. But you can't let it get to you either.I don't know how accurate this is.
Also I heard something about the Goverment knew about 9/11, 7 years before it happend. They found plans and diagrams of what was going to happen 7 years before the Two Towers were hit, and thought it was the plans that they had stopped.

[Lesa]

* Oh turds and whey. sorry le!

You hit the wrong button again, didn't you?

I hadn't read the missle theory, but the same Snopes link refutes that one, too. Don't forget, there were a lot of eyewitnesses who saw the plane, and a lot of light poles were damaged by the plane on its way to the Pentagon.

www.snopes2.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

it struck the Pentagon between the first and second floors and blasted all the way through to the third ring. Because the plane disappeared into the building's interior after penetrating the outer ring, it was not visible in photographs taken from outside the Pentagon. Moreover, since the airliner was full of jet fuel and was flown into thick, reinforced concrete walls at high speed, exploding in a fireball, any pieces of wreckage large enough to be identifiable in after-the-fact photographs taken from a few hundred feet away burned up in the intense fire that followed the crash (just as the planes flown into the World Trade Center towers burned up, and the intensity of their jet-fuel fires caused both towers to collapse).

Small pieces of airplane debris were plainly visible on the Pentagon lawn in other photographs, however, such as the one below:

www.snopes2.com/rumors/images/debris.jpg

Is this what you're talking about, Freebird?
www.snitch.com/content/20041020elections.htm
I've heard a lot of different things, from Osama planning on attacking us again, to expected attacks around election time, to postponing the election. I won't discount any of that as a possibility, but I don't put a lot of faith in our "intelligence" these days, either.

Yes, it does appear that there was a lot more evidence than just the Aug 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing, all pointing toward the attacks long before 9/11.
Seven years before 2001:

www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&theme=coverup

1994 (C)

The Phoenix FBI office uncovers startling evidence connecting Arizona to radical Muslim terrorists. The office videotapes two men trying to recruit a Phoenix FBI informant to be a suicide bomber. One of the men is linked to terrorist leader Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman (see July 1990). [Los Angeles Times, 5/26/02, New York Times, 6/19/02] In 1998, the office's international terrorism squad investigates a possible Middle Eastern extremist taking flight lessons at a Phoenix airport. By 1990, Arizona has become one of the main centers in the US for radical Muslims and remains so. But terrorism remains a low priority for the office. Meanwhile, hijacker Hani Hanjour moves to Arizona for the first time around 1990 (see 1990) and spends much of the next decade in the state. The FBI apparently remains oblivious about Hanjour, though one FBI informant claims that by 1998 they “knew everything about the guy” (see 1998 (F)). [New York Times 6/19/02] FBI agent Ken Williams later investigates the possibility of terrorists learning to fly aircraft (see April 17, 2000 and July 10, 2001), but he has no easy way to query a central FBI database about similar cases. As a result of this and other FBI communication problems, he remains unaware of most US intelligence reports about the potential use of airplanes as weapons, as well as other, specific FBI warnings about terrorists training at US flight schools (see May 18, 1998, After May 15, 1998, 1999 (L), and September 1999 (E)). [Congressional Inquiry 7/24/03]

1998 (F)

An American Muslim named Aukai Collins later says he reports to the FBI about hijacker Hani Hanjour for six months this year. [AP, 5/24/02] The FBI later acknowledges they paid Collins to monitor the Islamic and Arab communities in Phoenix between 1996 and 1999. [AP, 5/24/02, ABC News, 5/23/02] Collins claims that he is a casual acquaintance of hijacker Hani Hanjour while Hanjour is taking flying lessons. [AP, 5/24/02] Collins sees nothing suspicious about Hanjour as an individual, but he tells the FBI about him because Hanjour appears to be part of a larger, organized group of Arabs taking flying lessons. [Fox News 5/24/02] He says the FBI “knew everything about the guy,” including his exact address, phone number and even what car he drove. The FBI denies Collins told them anything about Hanjour, and denies knowing about Hanjour before 9/11. [ABC News 5/23/02]

[Freebird]

Le, that's the one I was talking about. Thank's for looking it up for those who could'nt find it.
Kinda scarry is'nt it. I agree with so many other's, that the goverment does'nt tell us all we need to know. My opinion is,
if they want to protect us, then tell us everything, so we can decide for ourselves, what's best for us.
Let us have a say in what needs to be done.
We need to be able to speek our minds we the "little people"
know more about what goes on in the real world, than they do.
The goverment officials don't think like us any more, like they did before they were where they are now.
That is just my opinion.And mine only, (I think).

[irenetheserene]

I see Le. Okay. I guess that's the same thing that happened in Pennsylvania. There was no plane or anything in the ground. Just a black dent.

Yea I hit the wrong button. Actually it's been awhile since I did that! I hope I haven't begun a new trend for myself.


Irene

[Lesa]

You're welcome, Freebird.   I agree that the government should tell us a lot more than they do.  They didn't bother to notify airline officials about the perceived hijacking threat prior to 9/11.  They didn't bother to warn them that New York could be a target, even though they had plenty of evidence suggesting it.  When they found the floor plans to several U.S. schools on a disk in a rebel's apartment, they didn't even notify the schools right away, claiming later that they weren't really concerned about it.

Heck, I wonder if they even let the senators see the actual bill before they all voted to give Dubya the power to attack any country that he thinks might have helped with the 9/11 attacks or might could possibly be helping the terrorists hide.  With that kind of power, he could decide to attack France tomorrow after manufacturing evidence that their military could be hiding a couple of suspected terrorists (which is purely hypothetical on my part, and hasn't happened to my knowledge).  But while he's at it, he might as well wage war on Arizona for teaching the terrorists how to pilot a plane at their flight schools.  Then again, maybe he'll decide to attack Mexico for letting them enter the continent there, then cross through the Mexican/US border, when our own officials will release illegal non-Mexican immigrants into the United States by the thousands, instead of deporting them, and without so much as a hearing.  I wonder how many terrorists our authorities had their hands on before letting them loose.


Yep, Irene.  Just as flight 93 left a dent in the field, and just as the other two planes disintegrated when they hit the twin towers.  Then again, it has been reported that paper, luggage, and human remains were found as far as 6-8 miles away from the crater in the field, scattered in every direction from the crash site -- but the crash site itself didn't have any recognizable debris around it, as far as I know.

[dixielandyankee]

I have to applaud what you said there about Bush being allowed to attack any country he thinks might have something to do with something to do with terrorism/WMD or 9/11.

To me it all seems very vague. Like I've already said in another post, I'm not really a politics person but I do know that both Bush and Blair have been involved in fabricating evidence of WMD in Iraq in order to have the excuse to go in and get rid of Saddam. Now I'm not saying that getting rid of him was a wrong move, because he's clearly a threat to world peace, but I do think they made a huge mistake by deceiving the world and going in there under false pretences, I think they've put the lives of our friends and families serving in the armed forces at unnecessary risk. Yes, I know they're soldiers and that's their job but sending them in as cannon fodder is just rude.

I can't accept the futility of it all...the killing of Iraqis, the killing of our own soldiers by friendly fire...what has it achieved. They say that the war is over, if you ask me it hasn't even begun.

[Freebird]

Dixie, I agree with you I think it"s only started.
The politicians say that they don't like war. Well neither does anyone else.
In my opinion war or fighting doesn't solve anything.
don't know what he's doing. We need someone who
has our best interest in mind, not a revenge thing for "DADDY".
Everything I say about politics is purely my own opinion.
I think the way Bush was elected was rigged up, with the messed
up votes in Florida.
As I have said before THIS IS MY OPINION.

[Lesa]

That's the problem, Dixie.  It is vague.   The bill wasn't even specific enough to say exactly what evidence is needed for Bush to arbitrarily declare war on a country, so he's free to do it on a whim.  Imagine how bad it could be if Bush gets elected for a 2nd term — or steals it.  After all, there are still thousands of people in Florida who have registered, but still aren't showing up on the voting rolls.  Others are showing up, but listed at the wrong polling places, and with Florida's new law that says anyone who votes at the wrong place won't have their vote counted, that's just as bad.

So where was I?  Yes, if Bush gets a 2nd term, I predict it will be a lot worse than the 1st, because with the two-term limit, he doesn't have to worry about re-election the 2nd time around.  This means he doesn't have to worry about our approval, which means his fabricated case won't have to be as strong next time.  Of course, he'll still have to fabricate something, otherwise he could face impeachment.

Speaking of impeachment, I read that Tony Blair is facing impeachment for misleading Parliament and the country over Iraq, negligence and incompetence over weapons of mass destruction, undermining the constitution, and entering into a secret agreement with the Dubya.  If you include blatantly fabricating evidence, failing to heed warning signs to protect his country, and conspiracy to steal the 2000 election, that would pretty much define Dubya.  Has anything come of the charges against Mr. Blair?


Freebird, I share the same opinions as you do, although I'll go so far as to say that I believe them to be fact.  It's documented that Dubya was aiming for Saddam before Dubya took office.  I used to believe it was a revenge thing for Daddy, but considering the fact that he won't even listen to Daddy, I now tend to believe that Dubya's whole motivation is the wealth he could personally obtain in Iraq.

I also believe the election was rigged, and I don't see how some people could so adamantly claim otherwise.  Check out some of these facts.  This is not a full list of details, but it should be enough to make anyone go hmmm...

• Dubya's brother is (and was) governor of Florida during the 2000 election.
  
  
• Florida's Secretary of State in 2000, Katherine Harris, was Dubya's campaign manager for Florida, and as Secretary of State, she was also in charge of overseeing Florida's polling.
  
  
• Jeb Bush became governor of Florida in 1998.
  
  
• In 1998, the state of Florida signed a $4million no-bid contract with DBT Online, which later merged into ChoicePoint, for the purposes of providing a central voter file listing those barred from voting.  Before that, they contracted a smaller company for $5,700/year.
  
  
• Florida is still the only state in the U.S. to ever hire a private firm for these purposes.
  
  
• Many have criticized ChoicePoint for having a bias in favor of the Republican Party, using inaccurate data, and for racial discrimination.  Also, people were listed as felons based on a coincidence of names, despite differing birthdates and such, so they were wrongly denied their right to vote.
  
  
• Katherine Harris is now a Florida senator.  I wonder how she "won" that seat.
  
  
• In 1998, an amendment was added to Florida's state constitution, giving the governor the right to appoint people who used to be elected, and are still elected in most other states — the education commissioner, and the Secretary of State.  It looks like the desire to amend constitutions runs in the family.
  
  
• Katherine's successor as Secretary of State, Glenda Hood, was appointed by Jeb Bush.

There are a lot more details surrounding this whole scandal, but I think this post is long enough.

[Freebird]

You are right Le, while reading your last post everyone of the statements did make me go hummmmmm.
I realy don't understand why we let the messed up"vote " (if thats what it's called.)happen without being able to say anything about it and be heard.
I don't vote because in my opinion I goofed up.
I have only voted 1 time in my life.
With all of those things that have pointed out, why hasn't anything been done about them?
Are the American people just suposed to sit back and let the Government do what they want?
And to see how much they can get by with before people start asking questions?
I am not a violent person and the idea of fighting just bothers me, but I beleave that people are getting tired of all the B.S. we are handed.

[Lesa]

There are a lot of things the mainstream media doesn't bring up, and the few things they do mention don't get enough coverage, in my opinion.

I think we need to get rid of the electoral college.  The whole reason they supposedly rejected the idea of choosing a President via popular vote is because they thought voters would only select candidates from their own state, without having adequate information about the candidates outside of their own state.  So I guess by that reasoning, they must've figured that the candidate residing in the state with the biggest population would automatically receive the most votes.  Well, it's been about 200 years since they started the electoral college, before the inventions of radio, TV, and the internet.

I hope you will vote this Tuesday.   With the tens (or hundreds?) of thousands of people who are being wrongfully denied their right to vote, we need all the votes we can get to make up for it... especially if you're in a state that could go either way, but even if you're not.

[Freebird]

I thought about voting this year but it's too late, I didn't register.
Wish I had now.
The rule "better late than never " doesn't apply here.
I can't register on Monday then vote on Tuesday. If I could I would I know who I would vote for.

[Lesa]

I just looked at your profile and realized that you're not in a swing state.  I hate to sound cynnical, but thanks to the electoral college, I can understand why people in a lot of states don't vote.  If we got rid of the electoral college, I'm sure more people would vote, and the will of the people would truly be heard.