Cyrene's Tavern and Inn

[Scrappy Amazon]

Anyone care to have a drink? Anyone? Oh well.........

Phalon, sometimes I would like to have a happy medium, but I find it's just not in me. Sometimes I actually have to ask myself, "Did I say that out loud?" I think the gene that governs lip control was damaged at birth or something. I blame my mom, she accepts it as inevitable because she is the same way.

Anyway, hope eveything goes well with the fridge Eirene. Make sure the workmen are careful with your floor. Good luck.

[dixielandyankee]

Sounds like you and I have the same problem Scrappy, I'm told I have an opinion on everything. I'm always the first to admit when I'm wrong...but if I'm right and I know it, ooh boy...!

My mouth gets me into trouble sometimes too, I learned to be honest about my feelings because I let people take advantage of me in the past and I vowed never again so I always make it clear where I stand on things! Its not always bad...

I'm making the most of my second day off, just went for with my best friend to catch up on life so that was nice. I'll join you for a drink Scrappy, I could go for an iced latte or something...

dixie

[Scrappy Amazon]

They called me in early to work..........tricked me by having the manager I like call.............so I'll have to take you up on the drink later. Remind me to tell you a funny example of my mouthoverloadess disease.

Hope everyone has a good day.

[eirene]

Yep, i got my new fridge, but the guye, who brought me them, was such a pain in my butt!!!! Anyway he believed, that i´m stupid, ´cause i´m a woman. I like such guys!! them ´til they´re down...

Eirene

[Lesa]

It sounds to me like he's the one who is stupid.  Men should know not to underestimate women by now.

Other women should know, too.   A few days ago while I was working at the store, an older lady asked if I could get a man to assist her.  I asked her what she needed, and she wanted a 30-pack of beer out of the cooler.  It was tipped on its side where we couldn't reach the handle, and it was practically wedged in there, so the only way to get it out was to tip it forward slightly (it wouldn't move any further), and grab it with my fingertips near the top of the box.  Well, I got it out of there for her quite easily, much to her amazement.

People always underestimate my strength because of my size, and the funny thing is that my 56-year-old mother is a lot stronger than I am, and even stronger than a lot of men.  I guess it just runs in the family.

[eirene]

Why, Les ? You´re so tiny ?? ;D

Eirene

[Lesa]

I'm about 5ft. 5in. and 115 pounds, more or less.
Some people say I'm tiny, but I've seen tinier.

[Scrappy Amazon]

Hey Merryblossom...er Dixie. Care to have that drink now?

Eirene..........we guys like that all the time. Like just because I'm a woman I don't know a thing about my car or my appliances or anything else for that matter. These are the moments that my mouth usually gets me in trouble. I can't help but try to prove a point and end up pissing them off. Oh well. Anyway, hope everyone has a good night.

[Phalon]

I get that a lot too, Gig...People underestimating my strength because of my size, as well as them thinking a woman is unable to lift anything over 20 pounds, or perform certain tasks, (such as driving a front end loader). There is one guy, not what I'd call a regular customer, but he does come in at least a couple times a year. He will allow me, (or the other female employees), to help him pick out his trees, but then will always insist that the men help him load. Kinda funny, cuz "the men", are the landscape crew and are not often on site - retail, (where I work), are all women except for one male. It's at this point that I usually radio for help and smile when a couple of "us gals" show up, along with the almost 60 year old white haired female owner driving the big front end loader. You'd think the guy would get the hint, but sigh...he never does.

On the other hand....it irks me when a man will allow me to load his vehicle with ten or so 40 pound bags of peat and stand back, not lifting a finger because he doesn't want to get dirty.

I like the happy medium customers...heaving the stuff you've helped them pick out, getting their fingernails dirty right along side you.

Ah well, it takes all kinds and that's what makes life interesting.

Hi Scrappy - I didn't see you there. Have a nice night and sweet dreams.

[Lesa]

Recently when working in a checkout lane, a guy came through with a huge bag of dogfood and asked me if he needed to take it out of the cart for me to scan.  Thinking that I could save him the trouble of taking it out from under his cart, I said that if he can read the barcode to me, then I can just punch the number in.  So he proceeds to take the dogfood out from under the cart, and picks it all the way up.  I said something like, "Oh well, now that you've got it out," and held out my hands to take it from him, and he's like, "Are you sure?"  I said, "Yeah, I'm sure," so he hands it to me, and I grab it with one hand instead of two, just to show what an idiot he was being.

On the other hand, I understand how it irks you when a man (or anyone) will stand back and let you do all the work when there's a lot of work to be done.  I hate when someone comes up to my lane with a cart overflowing with groceries when we're short on baggers and none are available to help, and even though there is absolutely no room left at the end of the lane for me to put any more bagged groceries, the customer will not even lift a finger to put the bagged groceries or cases of pop in their cart to give me more room.  When this happens, I have to stop scanning, go to the end of the lane, and put the bagged groceries in their cart, all the while they're just standing back and watching me, as the lines at all our registers continue to get longer and longer.

As for men thinking we're stupid... I just remembered a few months back when I walked past a couple of guys trying to jump-start a car, as I was walking to mine on my breaktime.  About 10 minutes later, they were still trying to get it started, so I stopped over and asked if they had tried grounding the negative cable on the frame instead of on the battery.  By some small miracle one of the guys decided to try it, and about a minute later, they got the car started.  Usually when I suggest that little trick to a guy, though, he won't try my suggestion.

[guru]

Wisdom is wisdom no matter the source. This is a concept Bruce Lee tried to teach when he got sick and tired of every nation being prejudiced against the martial arts of every other nation. Different situation - same stupidity. It seems like people let their minds shrink to barely accomodate their lives.

There are men who see women as equal partners. Believe in us ... we believe in you!

We may have to live in a stupid world, but we don't have to let the stupid world live in us.

[eirene]

Hi Les!
So, you´re 1,60 high and 58 kg weight. ( if i´m not in error - we don´t count here with feet and inches)Thats a usually norm - i´m not much higher than you.

Eirene

[xengab]

Hi everyone!I am only 5ft. 2in. Tell you my weigth after I have lost a few pounds. ;D So,if anyone has anything nice and slimming,I'm up for it.Oh,what the heck,can I have a cookie please?


xengab

[eirene]

okay, i´m 1,66 m high ( i believe that are 5 ft. and 8? inches ) my weight ... is a secret... ;D
I wish everyone here a beautyful night and sweet dreams.
Can i have a pillow please?

Eirene

[Scrappy Amazon]

Pillow for Eirene.........fat free, sugar free, calorie free cookie for Xe. (just so you know........we already decided that virtual cookies are guilt free)

Thanks for the kind words guru. I always knew they were out there. I've only met one or two in my life. And with guys like you, influencing guys like them, who knows there might be more developing out there.

[Grrlpower]

Walking into the tavern and looking around as I pull the twigs from my hair. Did anyone catch the name of that hurrican that came through my parts. Seemed like she wore out her welcome. Hey all and how are things going here? I see you are keeping the boards flowing Phalon. Hello to all of the boarders I don't already know. Let me buy a round. I heard there are some bright blue drinks called Hurricane's does anyone know how to make them?
Hope all is well with you all. GP

[Phalon]

OMG, GP. You are safe! Hope you all made it without any damages. Are you sure you want a Hurricane? How 'bout something soothing sounding like a nice Seabreeze? Nice to see you check in.

Thanks for the reminder, Guru. I know this of course, but every-so-often, especially working in a service field, it helps to be reminded that there those out there who are not just clods. Cheers.

Hi Xengab, Eirene and Scrappy.

Hope everyone has a good Wednesday.

[Lesa]

It seems like people let their minds shrink to barely accomodate their lives.

What an excellent way to put it into perspective, Guru!   I think that bit of wisdom can be applied to many other circumstances as well.  Expanding one's mind takes work, and it would seem easier to let it shrink and remain oblivious to the world around us.

I personally think it's easier to function in this world when I know more about it and the other people in it, and you seem like someone who would agree.   When faced with a predicament, I want the knowledge to solve it.  When I can't solve it on my own, I want to be able to determine who I can trust to help me.  I know women who can't bake from a cake mix no matter how closely they try to follow directions, and I know men who don't even know how to change a sparkplug or the oil in their car.  Incidentally, a male mechanic even even screwed up the order on my spark plug wires once, so I guess I should've just gotten a Chilton's from the library and done it myself in the first place.

So no, I would never hire anyone to do anything based on their gender, as wisdom and strength are not determined by gender.  Physical strength is determined by (among other things) muscle mass and density, and wisdom is determined by many factors including (but not limited to) the desire to learn, taking the time and putting forth the effort to learn, opening one's mind, and common sense.  The only time gender is really a factor is when someone isn't allowed to do something based on their gender, like in repressed countries where women aren't allowed to go to school, or men doing "women's work" is unacceptable to society, for example.

Yes, there are definitely men who see women as equal partners.  I'm glad you are one of them, Guru, and I'm also lucky enough to be married to one whom I don't think has ever underestimated me in all the years we've been together.

Geeze, I'm getting philosophical again.  Maybe I'll have a drink.   Care to join me?

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Hi Eirene! Actually I'm about 1.65 or 1.66 meters tall (I can't remember if I'm 5'5 or 5'5½ ), so I see we are about the same height.

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Yay, GP!   I'm glad to see you made it back here safe and sound.

[eirene]

so, we´ve the same great, cause high cames from to be GREAT ( in spirit ) ;D
I wish everyone here a beautyful wednesday!

Eirene

[Lesa]

Are you saying we have the same greatness because we're about the same height?

Babelfish translation:

great = große
large = groß

Great and large can sometimes be used interchangeably here, too.

[dixielandyankee]

Hi everyone

Been reading all your views on the capabilities of men versus women. I know exactly what you're all talking about. Here at the theatre I'm the only girl working backstage. The boys treat me like...well, one of the lads I guess...they never assume I won't be able to lift anything...and we have some pretty heavy stuff coming in and out of here! Funnily enough I find they're more likely to patronise me on something intellectual than something physical...which just makes me smile as I'm actually the one with the most academic qualifications...

On Mondays we usually get an articulated lorry arrive with the set for the show on the back and some of the truck drivers are funny...they usually say things like "Here's a nice light piece for you love" or "Better let one of the boys take this". Once they see me lugging the same stuff as the guys they stand corrected!

I'll take that drink with you Scrappy...what's your poison?

dixie

[catcob]

Hello peeps! What's everyone having?

Parents have been staying with me since the weekend, so I've been having similar mum-bonding, Scrappy. I've almost reached parental saturation point now though, if you see what I mean. Still, I'll miss them as soon as they leave...

I'd always be the first to complain if someone treated me as inferior in any way because of my gender, but, living in the Netherlands, I still get narked at the lack of male gallantry! My boyfriend is always very clear that we both do our fair share of bag carrying, no matter that he is 60 pounds heavier than me! I don't mind in theory, but, in practice, when my fingers are red from the shopping bags cutting into them, it's a very different matter! I guess I need to focus harder on my inner Xena...

[Lesa]

Lugging musical equipment around in the past, the guys learned fairly quickly that I could carry more than just a duffle bag full of cables, and I was "just one of the guys" when I hung out with them.

Funnily enough I find they're more likely to patronise me on something intellectual than something physical...which just makes me smile as I'm actually the one with the most academic qualifications...:laughraz:

Are they just kidding, or do they actually think they know it all?   Maybe they feel threatened because their physical strength isn't superior to yours, so they try to appear intellectually superior instead, since that can't be measured as easily.  Unless they're just kidding around, that is.

[Lesa]

Hi Catcob!

It looks like I sat on the reply screen too long again.

I agree that it wouldn't hurt for him to carry an extra bag.  After all, he is bigger than you, and if you were bigger than him, I would say that you could carry the extra bag.  On a side note, we were selling these rubber jar lid grippers for a cancer charity, and the signage said that they're also good for removing lint from clothing, as well as saving your hands from heavy shopping bags.

[catcob]

Hi Le (can i call you Le?!)

Rubber grips sound like just what I need. It doesn't stop at shopping bags, though - chivalry in the Netherlands (or at least in the parts I frequent) is dead in most forms (opening doors, giving up coats, standing up for the old/infirm on the tram). I guess it's equality being taken too far, and outmanoeuvring practicality. Not that I expect these things to be done for me because I am a woman, but it's just rude (in my mind, at least) to let a door swing in somebody's face, or to let the old ladies stand up while teenagers and the fit and strong sit down.

Oops - just fell off my soap box! I think I'll get another round in...

[Halona]

Hello everyone

(sits down and has some coffee and donut) I'm just waiting for a call from my mechanic to tell me when my car is ready. I'm having an oil change done, new belts now, and a fuel injection

How's everyone doing? I hope everyone is doing fine and safe from this hurricane Ivan I see another one is coming ..Hurricane Jeanne ... gosh

[xengab]

Wow,it realy looks busy in here,the word must have gotten around that Cyrene's is a great place to come to.

I'm also lucky enough to be maried to on whome I don't think has ever underestimated me in all the years wev'e been together.

That is so great Gig,I must say I am in the same boat with my hubby.

Hi all,can I buy you a drink and some virtual cookies. ;D

xengab

[Halona]

;D

[catcob]

I'll have one of those virtual cookies, Xengab!

Can I ask a stupid question? What's the star system? It looks like 1 = whooshite candidate = up to 100 posts/ 2 = whooshite apprentice = 100-500 posts/ 3 = functioning whooshite = more than 500 posts. Is that right? And can you get four stars (I've only seen moderators and administrators with five, so do they normally stop at three?)

And happy birthday Phalon for tomorrow if I don't get a chance to log on (just discovered the calendar function today!)

[eirene]

Lesigner said:

Are you saying we have the same greatness because we're about the same height?
great = Größe<br>large = groß

YEP!! ;D
for your babelfish translation : Groß kommt von Größe und nicht von Höhe. Means, if you say, you´re 5,5 ft. high then you´re really great, ´cause your high doesn´t matter - only the greatness of your heart ´n´soul is interesting.

Eirene