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Post by Mini Mia on Jan 24, 2009 1:04:50 GMT -6
What influence did they have? What changes did they make for those who followed after them? How hard/easy did they have it. Who do you admire most?
Post videos, share insights, sing praises, etc.
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Post by Phalon on Jan 24, 2009 8:04:31 GMT -6
Oooo, good topic, Joxie. It'll be interesting to see what kind of tidbits pop up in here.
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Post by katina2nd on Jan 24, 2009 20:15:25 GMT -6
Maddalena Casulana (c. 1544 – c. 1590) was a female Italian composer, lutenist and singer of the late Renaissance. She is the first female composer to have music printed and published in the history of western music. The following line in the dedication to her first book of madrigals, to Isabella de' Medici, shows her feeling about being a female composer at a time when such a thing was rare: " want to show the world, as much as I can in this profession of music, the vain error of men that they alone possess the gifts of intellect and artistry, and that such gifts are never given to women."
And before it's suggested otherwise let me assure everybody that I didn't know her personally. 
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Post by Phalon on Jan 26, 2009 7:10:14 GMT -6
I couldn't help but think of Carly Simon after reading your comment, Katina, and her song "Your So Vain"; dang my brother and I used to love that song when we were kids. Our babysitter at the same could play it on the piano, and we requested she play it over and over. We thought we had a coolest babysitter; Mom did too - because she returned regularly, not running in fear after the first time she watched us.
Though her career went on for decades after our childhood, and my musical tastes changed drastically, it was those songs of Carly's from the seventies that we played over and over in the kitchen when LX and BP were younger. I think we wore out "The Best of Carly Simon"; the girls loved it, and the whole family sang - even BP who was a toddler then.
"A really strong woman accepts the war she went through and is ennobled by her scars."
I'm not sure if the quote is in reference to her mastectomy scar after she suffered breast cancer in the late 1990's, (I've read other quotes of hers referring to wearing the scar like a badge of honor), or about the battles of life in general. Perhaps both - either way, it's a great quote.
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Post by vox on Jan 27, 2009 13:17:28 GMT -6
I couldnt help but like the following:-
Janis Lyn Joplin (January 19, 1943 – October 4, 1970) was an American singer, songwriter, and music arranger, from Port Arthur, Texas. She rose to prominence in the late 1960s as the lead singer of Big Brother and the Holding Company, and later as a solo artist.
In 2004, Rolling Stone magazine ranked Joplin number 46 on its list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time, and number 28 on its 2008 list of 100 Greatest Singers of All Time.
Unfortunately she succumbed to the affects of heroin, allegedly shooting at least $200 worth of heroin per day.
Joplin and the Kozmic Blues Band toured North America and Europe throughout 1969, appearing at Woodstock in August. By all accounts, Woodstock was not a happy affair for Joplin. Faced with a ten hour wait after arriving at the festival, she shot heroin and was drinking alcohol, so by the time she hit the stage, she was "three sheets to the wind."
At the end of the year, the group broke up. Their final gig with Joplin was at Madison Square Garden in New York City on the night of December 19–20, 1969
It was such a shame that she got hooked on heroin.
Gone but not forgotten!
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Post by quettalee on Jan 27, 2009 16:30:39 GMT -6
Anna Mae Bullock, better known by her stage name Tina Turner (born November 26, 1939) is an American singer, dancer and entertainer. She is known worldwide for her overpowering and energetic stage presence, powerful vocals, ground-breaking concerts as well as for her long, well-proportioned legs that are considered the most famous in show business. She was listed on Rolling Stone's list The Immortals — The Greatest Artists of All Time. Turner is a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee, and she is also represented in the Grammy Hall of Fame by two of her recordings: "River Deep - Mountain High" (1999) and "Proud Mary" (2003). Turner has won eight Grammy Awards. Turner has been acknowledged as one of the world's most popular entertainers, biggest-selling music artists of all time and the most successful female rock artist ever with record sales nearly 200 million copies worldwide and having sold more concert tickets than any other solo performer in music's history. Turner has accumulated many hit albums and singles worldwide as a solo act and with former husband, Ike Turner, (as a member of the Ike & Tina Turner Revue) Turner's world tour Break Every Rule Tour had record breaking ticket sales and was attended by over four million fans. Turner also beat out The Rolling Stones by touring Europe during her sold out Foreign Affair Tour in 1990 and playing to four million people in just six months. Her 1996 Wildest Dreams Tour was performed to 3.5 million fans. In the year 2000 she launched her Twenty Four Seven Tour that packed stadiums all over the world, it was the highest grossing tour of the year, and is the 5th biggest grossing tour in America ever. In 2008, Turner hit the road again for the first time in eight years with the world tour Tina!: 50th Anniversary Tour. Turner's tour has managed to become the highest selling ticketed shows of the year. Turner has been often referred as "the truest rock diva of all", "soul's first real diva", "The most dynamic female soul singer in the history of the music," and "one of soul music's most incendiary performers." Her divorce from Ike Turner was finalized in 1978 after sixteen years of marriage. She later accused Ike of years of severe spousal abuse and rampant drug addiction in her autobiography I, Tina which was later made into the film What's Love Got to Do with It?. She parted ways with him, retaining only her stage name, and assuming responsibility for the debts incurred by the canceled tour as well as a significant IRS lien. On April 29, 2008, Turner announced that she would embark on her "Tina!: 50th Anniversary Tour" in early October. This was Turner's first tour since the "Twenty Four Seven Tour". On May 5, 2008, she performed in a concert at Caesar's Place in Las Vegas with long time friend Cher. September 30, 2008, Turner released a new 18 track CD and digital collection of her top hits, rare live recordings, and two exclusive new tracks. On January 14 2009, she embarked on the European leg of her current tour. And she will turn 70 this year!! I love me some Tina. My two best friends and I used to sing and act out Proud Mary when we were in Jr. High (along with Marvin Gaye's "Let's Get It On"). Yolanda was black and Katie and I were both white, so Yolanda always thought she should be Tina all the time. We did take turns most of the time--except when we did it in the Spring talent show. (Yolanda had the best 13 year-old legs) I've seen Tina perform seven times. |
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Post by katina2nd on Jan 27, 2009 19:37:46 GMT -6
Amazing woman, still touring at that age. [ I've seen Tina perform seven times. I take it you're a bit of a fan then TG. |
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Post by Siren on Jan 27, 2009 21:55:25 GMT -6
Here's vintage Tina from back in the Ike days:
I swear, the woman looks just as good now. Her beauty is unmarred by time. And her legs - now, as then - are sensational!
Those gals who dance w/ Tina really earn their dough. It takes a lot to keep up with her.
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Post by Phalon on Jan 28, 2009 10:10:48 GMT -6
Ah, yes, Janice and Tina. One cut down too early due to addiction, and the other still going strong after all these decades.
Though I've seen videos of both, I've never seen either perform. I was too young when Janice was on the scene, and never had a chance to see Tina......even the Yolanda "Teenage Legs" version. What a hoot, TG! Got a stuffed-back-in-the-closet video to share?
Come to think of it, I haven't seen any famous top-of-the-charts female music artists. I saw Kittie once - an all female heavy metal band that my brother dragged me to see way back in their earliest days at his favorite metal headbanger bar. And I'd like to say they had an influence on my musical tastes, but the show was horrible.....way too LOUD, and in a t-shirt and jeans, I was waaayy to over-dressed....or I should say, over-clothed.
The only other name anyone would recognize is Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane, right before it crashed and burned after becoming Jefferson Starship.
Good friend of Janice Joplin, Grace had the same acid-tongued wit as Janice did, taking it too literally with her LSD use and alcohol addiction. While Janice paid the ultimate price for her vices, Grace survived, becoming oldest female vocalist on a Billboard Hot 100 number one single. "We Built This City" reached #1 on November 16, 1985, less than three weeks after her 46th birthday. The previous record was age 44 for Tina Turner, with 1984's number-one hit, "What's Love Got To Do With It". Turner (who is, coincidentally within a month of Slick's age) turned 45 two months after the song topped the charts. Slick broke her own record in Summer 1987 at age 47 when "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" topped the U.S. charts. Her record stood for 12 years, but was ultimately broken by Cher, who was 53 in 1999 when "Believe" hit number one.
She was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1996 (as a member of Jefferson Airplane).
She was ranked #20 on VH1's 100 Greatest Women of Rock N Roll.
"White Rabbit" (which Grace is purported to have written in an hour), and "Somebody to Love" appeared on Rolling Stone's top 500 greatest songs of all time.
While she did have her demons which lead to many arrests, Slick was an important figure in the 1960s psychedelic rock genre, and is known for her witty, thought-provoking lyrics and powerful contralto vocals.
In addition, a damned cool name.
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Post by quettalee on Jan 28, 2009 19:42:09 GMT -6
Watching that Proud Mary clip...can you believe that audience?? Their butts must be glued to the chairs and only about one in ten is even clapping!! I can't believe that. I'm glad time changed that a bit for her. Even tho, she once commented that she would much rather tour abroad because of the lack of feedback and support that she got in the US. She also said that the African American audience labeled her a sell-out after Ike. Ah, that performance would've been immortalized on the "super 8mm, reel-to-reel" format, Gams. It was that far back in the day and you don't have nearly enough dinars to ever see that footage--even if I knew where it was now!! I didn't realize Grace was that...mature. JA was a little before my time, but I remember a certain group of kids that I kinda hung with (when I could get away with it) being really into them. Looking back, I'm pretty sure it was the whole early 70's drug scene...but at the time, I was pretty naive to all that. Besides, I was rehearsing to Ms. Turner about that time.  |
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Post by Siren on Jan 28, 2009 21:44:57 GMT -6
Grace does seem like a very funny, smart woman. Unfortunately, one well-publicized incident from her days with Jefferson Starship wasn't funny or smart. Here it is, from Blender's list of "Worst Onstage Meltdowns": THE REICH STUFF Grace Slick The first German show of Jefferson Starship’s 1978 European tour ended in a riot when mercurial singer Grace Slick couldn’t play due, she insisted, to an upset stomach. The next night, Slick pepped herself up by drinking the entire contents of her hotel minibar before arriving at Hamburg’s Congress Centrum. When not fondling guitarist Craig Chaquico, Slick mimicked a Nazi goose-step, asked the audience “Who won the war?” and gave the “Heil Hitler” salute. Stumbling into the crowd, she reportedly groped several female onlookers before jamming her finger up a man’s nose. “I’m in Germany and I’m gonna get back at them for Dachau,” she later explained. Recorded for German TV, the concert was never broadcast, and Slick left the band immediately afterward. Shame Scale (9 out of 10): Glad she got herself together later, and enjoyed those big '80s hits. BTW, Blender's lists are great, and highly addictive. Here's the link for that "Meltdowns" collection: www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?id=2004 |
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Post by Phalon on Jan 30, 2009 7:25:50 GMT -6
Damn! I was hoping to somehow obtain a copy and use it to blackmail you into sending me a pot of the sh!t lentils. Just kidding....really, I am. Grace didn't age as well as Tina. She looks like....well, like you'd expect a seventy-some year old woman to look. A maturely attractive woman, but she quips about her appearance, "Old people should be heard and not seen." Wikipedia has then and now photos: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Slick Jefferson Airplane was before my time too. It was during my high school obsession with the late 60's/early 70's music - The Who, The Stones, The Kinks, The Doors, The Byrds - basically any band it seems that started with "the", that I saw Jefferson Starship. Oddly, I didn't really care for any of their newer music; I went to hear the classics. And thankfully there was not a repeat of the same type of antics she displayed at that concert in Germany. I remember a few years ago seeing a clip of it on a VH1 show similar to the list you posted, Siren - The Top Twenty Five Worst Ever Concert Moments, or some such thing. Simply horrible, and hard to watch. |
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Post by Siren on Feb 3, 2009 21:35:05 GMT -6
Just recently, it was announced that among this year's inductees into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame will be native Oklahoman, Wanda Jackson. Wanda started out singing country, then switched to rockabilly at the encouragement of her friend (and sometimes date), Elvis. They toured together at the height of Elvis' 50s fame. Elvis nailed it - that country girl could really rock. Later, Wanda returned to her country roots and had a number of hits. She has toured all over the world, and performs to this day. She is so, so deserving of that Hall Of Fame honor. She paved the way for all the women who rock. bio: missioncreep.com/mw/jackson.htmlHere's vintage Wanda, singing her pal Elvis' song, and wearing a dress the Opry would NOT have approved of! Isn't she a knockout? And here's Wanda in '06, still shakin' that fringe: |
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Post by Mini Mia on Sept 4, 2009 0:35:51 GMT -6
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Post by quettalee on Sept 4, 2009 8:38:38 GMT -6
Ah, thanks Joxcee. I was thinking about this thread the other day...but then I realized I didn't really have anything to say to bump it back! Good stuff.  |
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Post by Siren on Sept 4, 2009 12:40:36 GMT -6
Very cool link, Jox. Thanks! Here's another pioneer of music - Mother Maybelle Carter, a member of the group, The Carter Family, which is considered to be the first commercially-successful rural musical group. Her influence on guitar players continues to this day, thanks to her very distinctive style, picking the melody with her thumb, while strumming the chords with her fingers. www.cmt.com/artists/az/carter_maybelle/bio.jhtml |
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Post by Mini Mia on Sept 4, 2009 18:00:01 GMT -6
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Post by Mini Mia on Sept 4, 2009 18:16:45 GMT -6
Very cool link, Jox. Thanks!
You're very welcome, Siren.
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Post by Siren on Sept 15, 2009 9:03:00 GMT -6
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Post by quettalee on Sept 17, 2009 23:48:20 GMT -6
I hadn't heard this in a long...wow. I'm glad I found it again.  The Rose ~ Bette MidlerSome say love, it is a river that drowns the tender reed. Some say love, it is a razor that leaves your soul to bleed. Some say love, it is a hunger, an endless aching need. I say love, it is a flower, and you it's only seed. It's the heart afraid of breaking that never learns to dance. It's the dream afraid of waking that never takes the chance. It's the one who won't be taken, who cannot seem to give, and the soul afraid of dyin' that never learns to live. When the night has been too lonely and the road has been to long, and you think that love is only for the lucky and the strong, just remember in the winter far beneath the winter snows lies the seed that with the sun's love in the spring becomes the rose |
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Post by katina2nd on Sept 18, 2009 22:25:19 GMT -6
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Post by Siren on Sept 20, 2009 8:40:22 GMT -6
To me, Peter Paul & Mary were one of the most iconic music groups of the the '60s. Just hearing them evokes that era. What a terrible time for the surviving members of the band, and for the family of Ms. Travers.
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Post by Phalon on Feb 6, 2012 8:38:08 GMT -6
I think it was up in Off Topic at one time, but I knew this thread must still be around here somewhere - some really good stuff in here.
Something that sounds like it promises to deliver a lot of good stuff too is VH1's "100 Greatest Women in Music" special next week. It starts airing Monday, February 13th at 10pm, and continues at the same time each night throughout the week.
I may not be able to tune in for all 5 nights, but I'll definitely want to catch it when I can.
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Post by vickiej on Mar 10, 2012 7:58:43 GMT -6
And how can we forget our dear Melissa Etheridge? All that she did-coming out as a lesbian rock star, her unforgettable performance at the Grammys with Joss Stone, still bald from chemo, and of course her work on global warming.
She and Lucy should do something together.
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Post by Phalon on Mar 15, 2012 6:56:43 GMT -6
They said the same thing about Melissa on that 100
Greatest Women in Music thing I watched,
Vickie....well, pretty much the same thing; there was no mention of Lucy.
But I agree - it'd be pretty cool.
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Post by scamp on Apr 25, 2012 23:01:20 GMT -6
Here's vintage Tina from back in the Ike days: Those gals who dance w/ Tina really earn their dough. It takes a lot to keep up with her. Hi Siren, Your post made me remember an odd factoid about the "Ikettes." There was a constant turnover because Ike was a jerk. One of his rules was that all of the Ikettes had to be black. Then he ran into Bonnie Bramlett, of Delaney and Bonnie, whose voice and moves Ike loved. But Bonnie is a white woman with naturally blonde hair. Still she signed with Tina and Ike. And for about two years, Bonnie spent much of her life as a woman of color. I still don't know how she did it. Just any bit of weirdness to add to your formidable knowledge of music. |
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Post by scamp on May 3, 2012 3:46:56 GMT -6
And to follow myself up, since I've clearly not yet grasped exactly how this entire site functions....
I second Siren's mention of the Carter family.
For now, I just want to toss out a few names that are post WWII.
What each of these women have in common is that they transcended musical genre.
Patsy Cline, who appeared out of the blue on the the Arthur Godfrey Talent Search.
Joni Mitchell, who I believe will ultimately be heralded as one of the most innovative and significant musicians of the 20th century. I daresay that Jenny Lewis may well follow her lead.
Emmylou Harris who refuses to accept being placed into a set genre.
Betty Carter, the queen of jazz.
Annie Lennox because more than any other singer she is so conscious of where she has been, where she is, and where she's going in any song.
Koko Taylor for keeping Maxwell St. alive.
Dolly Parton because she can write killer songs and as Linda Ronstadt said, "I have to attack my notes dead on. Dolly can come in somewhere near her note and make it work." Plus Dolly made music natural.
Ella Fitzgerald for making her voice into an instrument so the words never matted, just the sound.
Ann Rabson for keeping women's delta blues alive.
Odetta and Etta James for training our ears to hear Aretha.
Jean Shepard, the Betty Carter of country in the 1950s.
Kitty Wells, the Queen
Lucinda Williams for her raw essentialism.
Heart, who else but Ann Wilson could start off with the Stones' "It's Just a Shot Away" and slide into her own "Coming Straight on for You?"
Judy Collins.
Nina Simone.
and many more -- if anyone cares to discuss them....
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Post by robinton on Aug 20, 2012 18:53:20 GMT -6
I see that this topic has not ben touched in a while... But I will post anyways.
Cyndi Lauper is one of my favorit singers. She has done a lot as far as females in the music industry, and also for feminism in general. Her song, "She Bop", was a topic of a LOT of heated debate at the time.
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Post by scamp on Jun 25, 2013 9:22:27 GMT -6
I see that this topic has not ben touched in a while... But I will post anyways. Cyndi Lauper is one of my favorit singers. She has done a lot as far as females in the music industry, and also for feminism in general. Her song, "She Bop", was a topic of a LOT of heated debate at the time. Cyndi is currently on tour celebrating the 30th anniversary of "She's So Unusual." It's the first time she'll be playing all that album straight through! God, has it really been 30 years??? I is old!! |
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